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[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by geofelt
Is anybody working on world conquest? I am attaching a save at the start of conquest.

Yessir, I am!

See my first session's log on page four. Will post my second session's log in a couple of minutes.

You started conquering late, I started earlier. Not sure who will finish off the world first, though!

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

The second session's log.

Version: MGE
Notation: B = bribed, C = conquered (a little bit more of that now! ), D = discovered, E = exchanged, F = founded, H = hut, L = city levelled to the ground (i.e. destroyed), S = stolen

475 BC-250 BC

400 Literacy (D)
350 Contact with the Sioux. I give them Bronze Working for peace. I give them Writing, the Wheel, Trade, Mysticism, Monarchy, Literacy. After that we share maps. Meet the Vikings, give them Literacy. Peace. Give them Warrior Code, Pottery, Mysticism, Monarchy, Currency, Writing, Trade. Share maps.
250 Alalia (F), I try to exchange Masonry from the Sioux. Peace with the Russians. I give them Monarchy, Literacy, Trade, Writing, Code of Laws. We share maps. After looking at the map, I decided to attack the Russians first (closer and all cities are on grass)

250 BC-75 BC

225 Masonry (D), Selinus (F)
200 Himera (F), Akragas (F)
150 Theveste (F)
125 War with the Sioux
100 Construction (D), Saguntum (F)
75 Give the Sioux Construction for peace

75 BC-60 AD

1 AD Unhappiness in three cities, Naples (F)
20 More unhappiness (I am careless when I move out triremes loaded with horsemen)
40 Engineering (D)
60 Issus (F)

60 AD-220 AD

120 I sneak attack the Russians, whoah! Moscow (L), St Petersburg (L), Kiev attacked (I lose a horse)
140 Vikings and Russians sign a pact against me. Kiev (L), Mathematics (C), 47 gold (C)
160 Smolensk (C), 140 gold (C), Seafaring (C)
180 Sevastopol (L), Iron Working (C)
220 Peace with Russians, Invention (D), Babylonians start on CO

240 AD-320 AD

240 Leptis Parva builds LW, Three Forks (C)
260 Attack on Minsk (I made a mistake here, fortified a horse (by accident) that could have captured Minsk), Odessa (C)
260 Three Forks lost to Sioux, they take Invention
280 Minsk (C), Russians still alive (?). Vikings discover Philosophy
320 Three Forks (L), Cremona (F), Cunaxa (F)

320 AD-620 AD

400 Little Bighorn (C), attack on Wounded Knee fails (only one archer in there!)
420 Wounded Knee (C)
440 Astronomy (D), Cannae (F), Cedar Creek (C), Vikings capture Cunaxa (L, undefended), take Invention
520 Jorvik (C), Polytheism (C)
560 Banking (S) from Babylonians
580 Philosophy (S) from Babylonians, Ravning Enge (L)
600 Russian capitol moved to Tblisi (where are they?)
620 Capua (F), Slim Buttes (C)

Status: 35 cities, 4 wonders (HG, LH, STWA, LW), 165 gold, 27 techs

Casualties: 1 warrior, 34 horsemen, 1 elephant

Conquered or destroyed cities: 14 (if I have counted them correctly above)

Played a little bit on 640 AD. I set taxes to max, the science box is almost full and I am going to steal Republic from the Babylonians.

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Test.

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

I must have hit some uploading limit. When I try to post the rest of the saved games, they simply overwrite the one posted above...

Help, anyone?

Carolus

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by geofelt
Is anybody working on world conquest? I am attaching a save at the start of conquest.

I published my first result at world conquest on the 28.09.01 (page 3 on this thread). IIRC it was 1758 .
I am having a second try NOW (so nice to compete with my friend carolus... with very different methods, since he seems to be hardcore ICSing and I am almost OCCing).

(La Fayette, having a look at an ICS map)

[Carolus Rex]

Of those 34 horsemen, seven or eight were lost in an idiotic attack on a harmless sioux catapult (and a chariot, I think) in a fortress...

Carolus

[La Fayette]

geofelt
sorry, it seems that I finished just before you started.

I didn't do it on purpose though.

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
Of those 34 horsemen, seven or eight were lost in an idiotic attack on a harmless sioux catapult (and a chariot, I think) in a fortress...

It's just that when I've attacked it once and see a slight fall in the cat's strength bar, I want to keep going. Erasing it from the face of the earth even though I realise it will be an expensive endeavour. Throwing good units after bad (i.e. dead!) ones...

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

M La Fayette,

Since you are on-line now, how about helping me post the rest of my saves?

Carolus

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
M La Fayette,

Since you are on-line now, how about helping me post the rest of my saves?

Carolus

Of course I would do it, if I knew how to. But I don't. Let us hope that someone like SG1 or Julius Brenzaida reads you soon (why not send them a pm?).
'La plus belle fille du monde ne peut donner que ce qu'elle a'

(Arme La Fayette, mangler visdom for aa hjelpe)

[DaveV]

1180 Automobile discovered, Electronics next. Rushbuy superhighways in Carthage, 30 shields in Theveste, 28 in Panormus. Hut: Crusaders (NONE).
1200 Superhighways completed in Carthage. Salt Malaca->Carthage, 65; Cloth Cartenna->Carthage, 105; Hides Carthago Nova->Carthage, 85; Gold Saguntum->Carthage, 100; Silver Issus->Carthage, 80; Hides Leptis Parva->Carthage, 90. Babylonians encountered, peace. Hut: 100 gold.
1220 Electronics discovered, Mass Production next. Oil Utica->Carthage, 62; Gems Rusaddit->Carthage, 110; Silver Theveste->Carthage, 92; Oil Gades->Carthage, 82; Gems Rusucurru->Carthage, 66. Taxes 0/80/20. Rushbuy 32 shields in Capua, 25 in Cannae, 30 in Akragas, 8 in Utica, 42 in Tingis, 30 in Rusaddit, 14 in Oea, 38 in Naples, 6 in Leptis Parva, 18 in Leptis Magna, 40 in Cunaxa, 32 in Cremona.
1240 Mass Production discovered. Salt Capua->Carthage, 60; Dye Akragas->Carthage, 82; Hides Naples->Carthage, 80; Gems Cunaxa->Carthage, 65; Salt Cremona->Carthage, 70; Hides Girba->Carthage, 100; Wine Tingis->Carthage, 80. Rushbuy 4 shields in Carthage, 24 in Cartenna, 4 in Saguntum, 30 in Carthago Nova.
1260 Feudalism discovered. Silk Rusaddit->Carthage, 110; Oil (D) Alalia->Carthage, 245; Wool Panormus->Carthage, 62; Hides Caralis->Carthage, 85; Salt Cannae->Carthage, 70. Rushbuy 30 shields in Theveste, 8 in Rusucurru, 7 in Issus.
1280 Chivalry discovered. Oil (D) Cartenna->Carthage, 366; Hides Carthago Nova->Carthage, 85. Rushbuy 45 shields in Cannae, 19 in Alalia, 42 in Akragas, 8 in Oea, 14 in Malaca, 36 in Girba.
1300 Vikings demand withdrawal of troops, I comply. Leadership discovered. Oil (D) Girba->Carthage, 350; Oil (D) Oea->Carthage, 338. Rushbuy 22 shields in Caralis, 15 in Panormus, 14 in Gades.
1320 Conscription discovered. Oil Cannae->Carthage, 245; Oil Malaca->Carthage, 226; Oil (D) Akragas->Carthage, 280. Rushbuy 31 shields in Theveste, 29 in Girba.

[geofelt]

I can see now, that my mode of play does not lend itself to either early conquest or a/c landing. It is more of a prep for maximum score. I ended with 93 cities, 120m population, and only babylon (boxed in on an island)left. To develop a maximum score would be tedious, and I rarely do it.
The big question to me is : Which style is more fun?

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by geofelt

The big question to me is : Which style is more fun?

Interesting but difficult question to answer.
IMO you must find it yourself. This means that, if you have got no idea, you must try and try again until you find a style that pleases you and is also somewhat efficient.
Here is my own view:
1) If you just wish to have fun, play scenarios or small maps and choose a path that requires movement rather than micromanaging.
2) If you wish to improve your game level, you must:
a) Read the GL (not 1 thread, ALL the GL)
b) Try to understand how this game works
c) Be prepared to micromanage (look at Dave's posts: he writes down what he does, but IMO all the players who get nice results do about the same, except that they are too lazy to write it down)
d) Ask questions (there is almost always at least one player on this forum able to answer any question you might ask)
3) Which style then?
Reread this thread. What do you find?
'pure' ICS: carolus
ICS + SSC: DaveV
ICS + SSC + Foreign Trade: the Gits (and Xarathas IIRC)
SSC + very fat cities + Foreign Trade in the endgame: arii
SSC + medium size cities + Foreign Trade: smash
SSC + few cities size8 + Foreign Trade: myself

(La Fayette, ready to explain why he plays as he plays, but ready to understand that the others have fun playing otherwise)

[Xarathas]

5th millenium

20: Gades Founded
80: Medicine , Carthage --> Malaca 60gp, Malaca --> Caralis 40gp, Panormus --> Caralis 40gp.
100: Caralis builds Mike's Chapel. Start boom, Rush buy Aqueduct in Carthage and Malaca. Panormus --> Malaca 48 gp. Gave Sioux techs for peace and traded for Mathematics, got their map too.
140: Rusucurru Founded
160: Rush buy Aqueduct in Caralis
180: End Boom, 12-10-9-8-7-7-2-2-1-1, Cartenna --> Carthage 150gp, Rushbuy Marketplace in Malaca.
220: Cartenna --> Utica 44 gp.
240: Panormus --> Cartenna 80gp.
280: Malaca --> Carthage 36 gp. Banking from Americans.
360: University, Girba Founded.
460: Carthage builds Corpernicus.
480: Theory of Gravity, Iron Working From Russians.
560: Engineering, Parnormus --> Carthage 42gp.
600: Malaca --> Cartenna 36gp
640: Sanitation
660: Utica (I think, didn't make the top 3 trade route list) ---> Little Bighorn 264gp .
680: Carthage builds Issac Newton's.
700: Invention Parnormus --> Wounded Knee 198gp
760: Democracy Leptis Magna Founded.
860: Economics Carthago Nova Built
940: Navigation Carthage builds Shakespeare's.
960: Carthage --> Cedar Creek 336 gp.
1000: Physics

really thin defense.. half the city only have 1 warrior or 1 horsemen But then the ones in question are usually covered with a dip within 5 spaces (via road, leaving 1/3 movement to bribe to bribe).
Of course.. that'll change once I get Leo's built (in about 2 turns)

Bit slower on science then I would've liked.. probably should have donated more caravans to wonder building or more resources to caravan building rather than improvements? Quite a few of the games I played before have been better off tech wise.. (maybe not as developed non-tech wise..).. suggestions?