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  • #46
    Here's an interesting article for the grammarians.

    Shifts in Linguistic Surface Structures Lead to Different Paths of Association at the Level of Deep Structure.
    Like many of the linguistic patterns defined by NLP, the concept of transderivational morphology comes from exploring the intuitions of native speakers. We have many unconscious intuitions about suffixes and prefixes as native speakers of our language. Native speakers of English, for example, will recognize "peaceful," "happiness" and "contentment" as well-formed words referring to a related group of positive emotional states. Part of the construction of the words includes well-known suffixes in English: "ful," "ness" and "ment." If the suffixes are switched around, however, the words will sound strange. "Peaceness," "happiment" and "contentful" seem like they could or should have meaning, but they are unusual.

    Try playing around with words like Communist, Capitalist, Freudian, Christian, programmer, and practitioner. Switch around the endings and notice how it affects you: e.g., Communian, Capitaler, Freudist, Christer, programmist, and practitian.

    From an NLP perspective, various affixes (prefixes and suffixes) could be considered to operate as types of 'verbal submodalities'. In fact, shifts in affixes are often highly correlated with shifts in the submodalities of the non-verbal portion of the inner representations associated with the word. For example, adding "ing" to a word, often results in the addition of the submodality of movement to whatever inner representation a person has for that word. Take words like "hand," "sled," "flower," "bite," or "sleep," for instance. Our initial representation of the experiential 'deep structure' to which these words refer is most likely an image or sense of some static object or event. Adding "ing" to produce "handing," "sledding," "flowering," "biting" or "sleeping," typically immediately brings in or increases a sense of movement with respect to the inner representation.

    Try this out with some other words; such as "rock" --> "rocking"; "smile" --> "smiling"; "e-mail" --> "e-mailing"; etc. Notice how adding the suffix alters your internal representations.

    It is also interesting to do this exercise with respect to words that we do not typically associate with the ending "ing." Think of some words like "phobia," "cancer," "victim," "problem," etc. Add the suffix "ing" and notice how your perception of the experiences or phenomena to which these words refer changes (i.e., "phobing," "cancering," "victiming," "probleming"). It is probably different than the way you normally think about it. It may even prompt you to smile or laugh, because it seems incongruous or unusual.

    One of the main applications of 'transderivational morphology', in fact, is to shift our internal response to key words that constrain or limit us, by playing with the structure or morphology of the word. In the following exercise, for instance, words associated with problem states are "defused" by substituting alternative prefixes and suffixes.

    Life and death is a grave matter;
    all things pass quickly away.
    Each of you must be completely alert;
    never neglectful, never indulgent.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
      He has interesting view of speed limits - he told me 110kmh signs really say you can drive at least at 120 kmh.
      F'ing speed camera got me going 63kmh in a 60 zone travelling down hill, $120 fine
      The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

      Hydey the no-limits man.

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      • #48
        Yes, I'm aware the Highway Patrol didn't share your interpretation of speed limits
        Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

        Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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        • #49
          If you think its so funny then you can pay the fine Dad.
          The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

          Hydey the no-limits man.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by DrSpike
            The first.
            Preferably known as the former.
            " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
            "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Hydey


              F'ing speed camera got me going 63kmh in a 60 zone travelling down hill, $120 fine
              How bizarre. There's usually an accepted 5-10% tolerance. The guy with the gun must have been down on his quota for the month.
              " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
              "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by SuperSneak
                Here's an interesting article for the grammarians.
                For people who, perhaps, need to get a life.
                " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by finbar


                  Preferably known as the former.
                  Hehe, I did think of editing it, but I was scared it would say "last edited by DrSpike blah" for a two word post.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by DrSpike


                    Hehe, I did think of editing it, but I was scared it would say "last edited by DrSpike blah" for a two word post.
                    This system can vary, but it usually takes two edits before the damning phrase appears. You were safe, Doctor, you could have rescued yourself from ignominy.
                    " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                    "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                    • #55
                      I think it appears after one when the system is not busy, like European mornings for instance.

                      Edit: Is it timed? Let's see.

                      Edit2: It seems so.......looks like CW is right - never thought I'd edit a post to say that.

                      Edit3 (after more than 5 minutes): test.

                      Edit 4: BINGO.
                      Last edited by DrSpike; March 11, 2003, 20:02.

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                      • #56
                        the edit rule is 5 min, iirc
                        Pool Manager - Lombardi Handicappers League - An NFL Pick 'Em Pool

                        https://youtu.be/HLNhPMQnWu4

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                        • #57
                          The phrase was "due to the unavailability of..." a person.
                          Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                          Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
                            The phrase was "due to the unavailability of..." a person.
                            As the Doctor said, it's unavailability, and it's regardless of the context. As the article that Sneak posted touches on, there are all sorts of ways of achieving the same thing with different prefixes - unavailability; imprecise; disrespectful, et al. That's usage for you.
                            Last edited by finbar; March 11, 2003, 20:59.
                            " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                            "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by ColdWizard
                              the edit rule is 5 min, iirc
                              Yo, CW! How they hangin'? Is it a timer thing? When I've been updating statistical posts, I've edited numerous times within 5 minutes and the dreaded phrase has appeared, seemingly, triggered by the number of edits.

                              Edit. Mmmm. I just tried it on the other post. One edit, outside 5 minutes, the dreaded phrase appeared. Same with this one.

                              Bow down to CW!
                              Last edited by finbar; March 11, 2003, 21:02.
                              " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                              "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                              • #60
                                But what about "inability"?
                                Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                                Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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