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[Ming]

Wasn't there a thread on this topic that had a few interesting things in it ?

[DrSpike]

Yeah Samson's hut thread was interesting. Nothing about CoL that I recall though.

[rah]

Originally posted by atawa
Finding huts and nomads are not completely random.

Some factors increase/decrease your chances.

Agreed about finding huts, not random at all.

[War4ever]

well i have noticed this, either you get war techs or science techs on the path to republic...ie col, alpha, mysticism etc....now i know you need the prereqs for this, but i think maybe the civ you take, and its preferred govt choice as set out in the rules.txt could determine which path you take.

for instance, i either get HR, masonry, wc, or i get the col, alpha, mysticism line of techs with BW in there as well....sometimes CB as well...

so its either a bunch of good techs, and monarchy by 2850-3050 in sp mode or a bunch of crap and then the other pattern.

if you open enough huts your screwed, b/c you will get tech off the path.....

but in your initial hut search , these patterns come out loud and clear for me....i have done a lot of sp mode testing by opening say 10 huts or so on the world map.
again as the chinese

[Ming]

Hey war... check this thread out...

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=69873&pagenumber=1

[War4ever]

YES i remember and reread this thread, but am a bit lost following it all....i may have to do some testing on my own..... b/c i certainly think the COL rule is in effect.

[Cobra]

You´re right, the host gets the best starting position when he´s clean. You can test it easyly for yourself. Start a 4-player-MP-game and choose „show human starting position“ (or so, i have the german version) .
That´s the reason why in our league the weaker player gets the right to host.
In the last weaks a new idea came up: if you want to play a duel then choose 3 players. The second player saves at the beginning and the host quits game. After the second player becomes host, the first player rejoins as the former AI and now nobody has a starting tech or an extremly better place than the other.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Cobra
In the last weaks a new idea came up: if you want to play a duel then choose 3 players. The second player saves at the beginning and the host quits game. After the second player gets host, the first player rejoins as the former AI and now nobody has a starting tech or an extremly better place than the other.

Cunning.

Has anyone in the German league tested the starts for the alleged advantage?

[rah]

Originally posted by Cobra
You´re right, the host gets the best starting position when he´s clean. You can test it easyly for yourself. Start a 4-player-MP-game and choose „show human starting position“ (or so, i have the german version) .

The show human starting position only works when you have 4 humans in the game. You keep saying they get the best starting position, but have yet to quantify it. What makes a better starting position? Just how much better (if any) statistically is it? When I did some testing, I didn't see any obvious advantages and could see no patterns. Until we see some test results, it's still just an opinion.

And on your 3man duel proposal. Am I missing something or does this mean an AI is present in your duels?

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by rah

And on your 3man duel proposal. Am I missing something or does this mean an AI is present in your duels?

No, the original host quits, and takes the AI civ upon his return. Presumably, the alleged host advantage would then die with the deposed host, since the new host would be the second civ placed, and the old host would be the third (or vice versa).

At least I think that's what he meant

[Cobra]

[Graag]

But doesn't the AI take over the civ the host quit?

Other than that it is a good way to get around any percieved host advantage, though like Rah I'd want to see some quantification of what makes a better starting position.

[rah]

Hmm, guess I'm confused. Normally when a player quits, the AI takes over for their civ.

[atawa]

unless you set it to destroy civ upon retirement or how its called.

[Graag]

ah, yes. makes sense now.

but I still want to know what is considered a host advantage.