Fair Starting Positions

[finbar]

Originally posted by Frank Johnson
I once got 3 advanced tribes, for my 2nd, 3rd, and 4th cities, then a settler, which I think eventually made my 6th. It was all very funny untill everyone attacked me en mass the rest of the game. Ironicly, all the cities were pretty well placed.

That's creepy, Frank. I got a settler out of the hut I tipped before the hut I tipped that produced my first advanced tribe. I kept him for roads and irrigation. My advanced tribes were very handily placed too - one with a whale, one with a pheasant. Luckily I'm playing with Deity, Horse and Hydey so I'm fairly safe. They're all renowned ICSers.

[War4ever]

i have been in games where markus has rattled off three tribes in a row, and then a nomad and two more tribes the next two turns.....

your done for when someone pulls this type of magic off....

i had a game the other night, where i received two nomads and three tribes in a span of 10 turns....even this is ridiculous.......

with that kind of start the game is hardly fair to my opposition.... especially when the land was juicy as well.

[Hydey]

Obviously the game realises your lacking skill levels and compensates by giving you free cities, that explains why Great players never get luck like this.

[War4ever]

reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly now Hydey

its nice to see the troll and mini me showed up for the debate

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by War4ever

its nice to see the troll and mini me showed up for the debate

Starting position and hut luck has a huge influence n the game. Nothing worse than being boxed in on a narrow spit of land.

[War4ever]

exactly horse...you spend all that time wandering around a one or two tile penisula while you enemy is rampaging through forests and open terrain....

the best players obviously realize this and make adjustments quicker than others.....

either that or they are loading a map on a second computer

[deity]

Originally posted by finbar


That's creepy, Frank. I got a settler out of the hut I tipped before the hut I tipped that produced my first advanced tribe. I kept him for roads and irrigation. My advanced tribes were very handily placed too - one with a whale, one with a pheasant. Luckily I'm playing with Deity, Horse and Hydey so I'm fairly safe. They're all renowned ICSers.

Don't forget that when playing with Roving Bands settings the statistical chance of this happenning is much higer I think.

[rah]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Starting position and hut luck has a huge influence n the game. Nothing worse than being boxed in on a narrow spit of land.

Yeah, it's really tough to figure out "research mapmaking"

But your right, it is a considerable dissadvantage.

RAH

[Ming]

Originally posted by War4ever
either that or they are loading a map on a second computer

[War4ever]

yes i don't mind a challenge, but i don't want to be the only player who is challenged, when the rest of my rivals are having a cakewalk.....

unless my phalanx are going to defeat their battle ships

[Deity Dude]

the fewer the players te bigger the advantage.

if you are in one of deity's 7 man 1x1x games the advantage becomes minimal over the course of the game. If its a duel a couple whales can be a game ender. Thats why if you are gonna play duels its best to play the way we are, War. (best of 10 each player hosts 5 no restarts except for techs)

At least after 10 games it should even out.

BTW I'm lookin forward to finishing that first one.

[War4ever]

yes DD, icq me when you want to continue.....:b its time to start finishing games again

[deity]

Why don't some of you guys stop playing 2x litt;e games and get into a long running 1x1x game - I've been in some beauties that have finished. 5 players is more reliable perhaps. The rewards of getting into the end game with a Space Race, Nukes and etc with 4-7 players is so cool.
Any of the 2 timesers interested in this>?
USA Thurs night?

[War4ever]

well deity, thursdays dont work for me, the real problem is that if my life dictates that i have other things to do, then i wn't be able to make a date , whichever day of the week that is.....

you and i have been down this road before, i just can't commit to a long term game on a certain night, cuz my schedual changes so much

otherwise i would love to play with you guys.....

plus those guys hate x1x1 so its a double whammy.

all the 3-4 player games end the same way after one night nowadays, either one person dominates or two players share a lead which gives the others little incentive to continue.

diplo games are alot of fun with the right people, but personality clashes, scheduales, commitment, life, can be extremely difficult for many of us....

realistically the most i can do is playing one or two games in duel mode whenever my opponent and i share the same schedual. The problem with this is i often lose intereset in the game if a few weeks go by....not too mention i forget what the hell i am doing....

your a great player deity, its a shame that pragmatism gets in our way.....

[Ming]

Originally posted by War4ever
all the 3-4 player games end the same way after one night nowadays, either one person dominates or two players share a lead which gives the others little incentive to continue.

So true