Another IMPERIALISM 1870

[0hwell]

It's no secret; someone asked him to check my file to see if I was cheating, because of my taking of Bangkok. I know I did not because I had two or three cannons and a substanial naval force, plus a few infantry units. There was, I think, 2 or 3 native riflemen in the city. I really don't mind if you think that I cheated, but I asked conmcb25 to try taking the city with the units I had a few times. Hopefully that will clear things up, once he sees that it wasn't that difficult...

[0hwell]

Okay, John and Case have proven me wrong. Apparently I have been cheating in Timbuktu as well to take it. I did not remember cheating though, I still believe I got Bangkok clean but apparently this is not the case.

I am sorry for wasting your times. I hope you forgive me and allow me to keep playing because those that know me at CFC know I am an honest player, and you can learn to like me. I guess I cheated because it is just so hard to play when you can't take any cities with your current unit types. Again I am sorry and I hope you will forgive me.

[conmcb25]

Actually my name is Steve, and I hope you stay in the PBEM World. It is up to the rest of the players in this PBEM whether you continue here or not. That is not my decision.

But at least you made the right decision and I think admitted it. Now the key is to stay squeeky clean from now on.

Your first paragraph Ohwell, you said you didn't remember, your second paragraph sounded like a confession. Which is it, did you cheat or not? If you still dont believe you cheated then please prove me wrong.

Basically it was pretty obvoius to me that the rules,txt was changed to greatly increase the attack values of the cannons outside of Bangkok the turn before Ohwell took Bangkok. That way he eliminated 3 of 4 Infantry with almost no damage to his units. Then the next turn it looks like he attacked with normal values in rules.txt , took some casulties (two I believe) and destroyed the one remaining infantry to capture Bangkok.

Case also found something in the capture of Timbuktu. So if you went back to the save before the Timbuktu capture or the Bangkok capture, which ever comes first I still believe you can continue with a clean game.

If you have questions post them here or email me:

knapowski_seabee@crane.navy.mil

Sorry about this guys but Im just the messanger, I think you all need to discuss this with Ohwell.

[Case]

Originally posted by conmcb25
Basically it was pretty obvoius to me that the rules,txt was changed to greatly increase the attack values of the cannons outside of Bangkok the turn before Ohwell took Bangkok. That way he eliminated 3 of 4 Infantry with almost no damage to his units. Then the next turn it looks like he attacked with normal values in rules.txt , took some casulties (two I believe) and destroyed the one remaining infantry to capture Bangkok.

I can confirm that that's what appears to have happened. The inital attack on Bangkok was undoubtably cheating, as was the attack on Timbuktu (where a badly damaged cannon with 4/7 of a movement point defeated a native intantry unit in a city with city walls on a river square). Both these acts of cheating would have required that the units stats have been hugely increased.

[0hwell]

Okay Case I think the point has been made...

[Case]

I'm just pointing out that this was clearly deliberate cheating and not a quasi-accident like you seem to be claiming.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by 0hwell
Okay Case I think the point has been made...

Ohwell are you going to answer my question?:

"Your first paragraph Ohwell, you said you didn't remember, your second paragraph sounded like a confession. Which is it, did you cheat or not? If you still dont believe you cheated then please prove me wrong. "

And I dont think you really have grounds to be indignant here, Case was just trying to describe what he found because I didn't think it was my place to do that. That was for him to discuss.

Can you please answer the question?

Thanks

[Darius871]

Okay, John and Case have proven me wrong. Apparently I have been cheating in Timbuktu as well to take it. I did not remember cheating though, I still believe I got Bangkok clean but apparently this is not the case.

Honestly Ohwell, that doesn't sound like much of a confession to me. I'm hardly mad and I'll be glad to have you continue, but I do refuse to believe that you just slightly edited it and then forgot that you did. Going deep into the rules file and finding where the attack value is, and then setting the value very high isn't something you just don't recall and isn't something we can just ignore.

I hope you forgive me and allow me to keep playing because those that know me at CFC know I am an honest player

As a matter of fact, there were two instances in the Insurrection game where I'm certain your combat results came from a rules edit. Understandably Case didn't want to make a big deal out of cheating from a game that had long since ended, so I didn't say anything. But I was still vigilant in games I was in with you, and then this happened.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Darius871 As a matter of fact, there were two instances in the Insurrection game where I'm certain your combat results came from a rules edit. Understandably Case didn't want to make a big deal out of cheating from a game that had long since ended, so I didn't say anything. But I was still vigilant in games I was in with you, and then this happened.

Actually I've just looked at the old files since my post and I can definitely prove it, so I hope you aren't going to give us the usual 'just this once' line. If you want to challenge this accusation go ahead, I have confirmation in screenshots.

[JamesJKirk]

Originally posted by 0hwell
Okay Case I think the point has been made...

I agree that you haven't exactly owned up to cheating, and I thank Case and conmcb25 for checking things out and giving us the detailed descriptions. I hardly think they were going overboard, they let us other players know what was going on, so we can decide what to do both concerning you and the cities you took.

This doesn't really speak well in your favor (not that cheating did in the first place).

[Ceteram]

Well, what now? Ban the lowly f u c k e r from our game and start over in a turn where those cities were still clean? Who else is cheating?

[conmcb25]

Ceteram I suggest you edit the above post before a moderator does it for you. Although appropriate it is asking to get yourself into trouble.

Again if you guys go back to the turn before both cities were captured I think you would have a clean game.

And Darius told me on AIM last night that Ohwell was going to be unable to login for a while. What that means I dont know, but he is unavailable. At least that is what Darius said. Darius you want to jump in here?

So unless Ohwell wants to keep playing and you want him to play I would get a substitute and go back a few turns. Ohwell is NOT passworded so you dont have to strip passwords.

Good Luck

[Darius871]

All he said was for me to post on all his threads what happened here because he wouldn't be on for a day or two.

Ohwell wrote on Dec 14, 2002 06:05 PM:

Could you do me a favor and relay the message that I cheated in the "Another Imperialism" Game at Apolyton?

In most or all the PBEMs please, because I will not be on much today or tomorrow.

Thanks

[0hwell]

Originally posted by Ceteram
Well, what now? Ban the lowly f u c k e r from our game and start over in a turn where those cities were still clean? Who else is cheating?

Boy you sure are nice. I would just love to play with you in other games.

Steve yes I did cheat.

Darius, your Insurrection point is moot because even Kobayashi, the maker of the damn scenario, said it was entirely possible. Gunships apparenlty can kill 2 Imperators. I believe the second instance you are talking about is when I killed an Imperator with TIE fighters, which is an entirely possible instance.

And I thought Steve was talking about the turn when I took Bangkok, which WAS valid. The turn before was not.

If you still want me to play I will not in this game because of Ceteram's unnecesary comment.

[Ceteram]

No problem, Ohwell. I don't play with cheaters.
Cheers,