Who gives an EyesOfNight about PBEM?

[Scouse Gits]

Bud - for several of us the pressures of RL preclude any other form MP - rather take several months (years?) to play a good game with friends than never have any MP.

SG[1]

[DrFell]

Problem is, you could end up playing for 6 months or so before you realise the game's going to be a walkover by one player.

[Scouse Gits]

Yup - but the two games I'm involved in at the moment have circumvented that - one is on a 'balanced' map the other is a scenario -- again, something is better than nothing -- I'm 54, loved this game for what 8 years? and don't intend giving it up just cos Morrowind is published in the UK on Friday - but it might slow me down a little

SG[1]

[SlowThinker]

Originally posted by Deity Dude

Originally posted by SlowThinker
For me the starting position is very interesting and in the SP I am prepared to think one hour about it.

You can't be serious.

Not fully, but...
You know, I am a beginner, I have played less than 10 games and usually didn't go over 0AD.
I took only one game very seriously, the Campo Challenge 1. In this game, I thought much more than one hour about the starting position, because I had to find also a system how to compare and evaluate different decisions.
See my posts 23-04-2002 19:15 and 25-04-2002 15:43 if you want to understand why I am so slow.
But I have got some experience thanks to that game: if I would start a game with a similar starting position (a river) now, I would think a couple of minutes only. (The non-river position would be complicated again - questions about building one or two cities, roads or no roads...)

But I am speaking about a game that I approach very seriously. I can play a "light" game faster. But the serious approach is more interesting for me now.

[Ming]

Originally posted by SlowThinker
But I am speaking about a game that I approach very seriously. I can play a "light" game faster. But the serious approach is more interesting for me now.

Then by all means stick to PBEM games and not try a MP game. Your "serious" approach won't be very interesting for the people that have to wait an hour for your first turn


And I still don't understand what could possibly take an hour except for indecision...

[DrSpike]

Do what you like on SP.

I have to say I am somewhat confused that someone that has played as little civ as yourself is so focused on working out the exact minutiae of how the game works, and so involved with research both here and at CF. Care to enlighten us?

[SlowThinker]

This is an aspect I never understood here: it seems most players play civ contentedly and don't care about exact rules and game mechanics.

Will you learn rules before you will play chess?

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The explanation is probably that I look on the civ as on the chess, whereas most other players as on an adventure game.

[SlowThinker]

Who stole my vote???

[Ming]

Originally posted by SlowThinker
This is an aspect I never understood here: it seems most players play civ contentedly and don't care about exact rules and game mechanics.

HA HA HA HA HA HA... You're killing me. You are making a very BAD ASSUMPTION if you think that this is the case with most of us.
I was disecting the game machanics the day it came out. Many of us have contributed greatly to the overall understanding of the game and the rules that govern it. We have a very strong working knowledge of the game, how it works, and most importantly, how best to take advantage of those rules and quirks in a real game situation.

And the real key fact is, we don't need an hour to make a turn

[Alexander's Horse]

I would like to play PBEM. I think it would be cool for big games. And there would be less complaints about slow play.

We tried it with the "big Aussie" five way but someone **cough** Hydey *cough, cough* couldn't be bothered sending on the saves and it quickly collapsed.

[Hydey]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
I would like to play PBEM. I think it would be cool for big games. And there would be less complaints about slow play.

We tried it with the "big Aussie" five way but someone **cough** Hydey *cough, cough* couldn't be bothered sending on the saves and it quickly collapsed.

Well I sent them on when someone bothered to send them to me , never took more than 5 hours from reaching my address to be played and sent on but somehow it did not continue.

[Scouse Gits]

I'm always up for a new PBEM Horsey - bring it on ...

SG[1]

[Chris 62]

I'd go for it with the right players, but a scenario, not the base game, that would take to damn long (at least 250 turns=at MINIMUM one year or more).

If SG and Horsey would care to try a scenario PBEM, I'm game.

Sending the save isn't needed, just post it on the forum, all you have to do is check the thread.

[rah]

Does anyone else find it ironic that a thread started to make fun of it might encourage using it more?

[SlowThinker]

Ming,

Take the corruption formula (Corruption and waste )as an example: the constants that affect the corruption level under different governments are very useful for strategic decisions. But it looks nobody missed them last 5 years.
I suppose most players gained some intuitive notion about the corruption level in different governments and they were contented.

Or take the low wants of condensed information. The facts collected in the Info: combat thread are very important. Do you want to say that each player had his own version of collected combat fact and held it back?

Many of us have contributed greatly to the overall understanding of the game and the rules that govern it.

Yes, I agree. But "many of us" is a "very small minority". I would suppose the present-day amount of knowledge should be revealed in first six months.

Originally posted by Ming
And the real key fact is, we don't need an hour to make a turn

...and you play poorly
Oh, you ordinary civ players...

( SlowThinker, feeling like Eyes2)