The Dummy Guide to Trade.

[markusf]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
Markus forgets to mention that this doesn't work so hot if the other guy takes all his trade out of the cities you're sending caravans to. And you have to roll over and take it up the ass while he sits there flooding caravans all over you. And you have not not build any army or sink any of his boats. And you have to not expand at all lest you become too enormous and powerful for him. And you need to be a republic in order for him to get mega trade anyways. Did I mention you aren't supposed to attack him at all while he's flooding you with caravans?

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The whole point in bigger games is that 2 people work together to over come everyone else.

[DrFell]

You were saying how great it works in duels though.

[markusf]

Originally posted by DrFell
You were saying how great it works in duels though.

In 1x hell ya...
And all that talk about blocking ships with ships is just pure bs.. judging from the amount of swearing makeo did today in our duel its nearly impossible to counter.

[Alexander's Horse]

And yet in our game Markus had to steal trade off me in 400ad

[DrFell]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
And yet in our game Markus had to steal trade off me in 400ad

lol

And as for the ship blocking, I managed to make it work pretty well in a game with woke, managed to inflict huge losses and bribe a few boats. If I'd gone for mapmaking earlier I could have held him off easily.

[markusf]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
And yet in our game Markus had to steal trade off me in 400ad

What do you expect? Its a 5 billion year world, that is cold.. There isn't a single grassland on the map, everything is mountains or plains... And you have massive rivers... i don't have a single one.

[markusf]

Originally posted by DrFell


lol

And as for the ship blocking, I managed to make it work pretty well in a game with woke, managed to inflict huge losses and bribe a few boats. If I'd gone for mapmaking earlier I could have held him off easily.

Your talking about 2x with infinate production.. All you have to do in 1x is stay outside the city range 3 squares diagonally in the water.. You can hit any city and no one can see you coming or stop you. You can defend maybe 1 or 2 cities but you can't defend 9 or 10

[Eyes_Of_Night]

HOw come you didn't do that in our 3 1x1x medium map duels? Ohhhh...now I remember. Kind of hard to do that when I have veteran ironclads with lighthouse, magellans and just about every single other wonder. Not to mention the enormous city lead I had.

[markusf]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
HOw come you didn't do that in our 3 1x1x medium map duels? Ohhhh...now I remember. Kind of hard to do that when I have veteran ironclads with lighthouse, magellans and just about every single other wonder. Not to mention the enormous city lead I had.

Give it up.. We played 1 game.. Just 1 game, and you got 4 tribes before 2500 bc some very close to me, allowing you to get all the wonders. Not to mention rivers, 3 pheasents 3 silks and a whale for your first 3 cities. Any idiot could have won the game with the kind of start you had. You won one game due to hut luck and since then you have refused to play any single game. As for the stupid comment why didn't you do that then, i might as well ask why didn't you use my early rep strat 2 years ago? why did you always just play in monarchy?

You've refused to play any duels since then, lets play a 1x 1x diety duel its your choice either put up or shut up.

[Eyes_Of_Night]

Oh my god. We played 1 game? Are you out of your ****ing mind? First game we started on different land masses. There was no way you could have won it because mine was much larger than yours. Second game you started to the south of me. I remember because I got republic and HG and you told me that the reason I won was because it took you so long to get republic. Next game I started with a silk ONLY in my capital. Don't give me this bull**** about how I had this start from god. The third game was even at one point because I established and embassy and it showed me as having 1 city more than you and we both had exact same techs. I got republic first AGAIN and AGAIN you told me the reason I won was because I got republic first. Beginning to remember now? Do I need to dig up the posts or will you conveniently remember the games? You mined your cities with forests in our third game to stop my veteran ironclads. Lets face it, you got your ass kicked 3 games in a row. And why suddenly you want to play deity? Discovered you can't win on King? Finally figured out that you can't do **** to keep up with my expansion speed? Lets face it, I own you on all settings. I've already proved that I am beyond you in every way shape and form. Your only claim to fame is this little trade strategy of yours and I've already proved war out does trade any day of the week. Keep denying the games we played and I'll dig up all the posts about them.

[markusf]

Bla bla bla

I wanted to play on diety settings back then, but no you didn't want to. I wanted to host etc etc etc.

As i had posted in that thread before i got republic at 500 bc in those games, which is way to late.. And if that wasn't bad enough, you pegged off HG bachs and mikes and you admit to having free tech now???, face it you had great starts all 3 games + a LOT of trade specials. Which when playing on king level can be fully used because happiness isn't a problem.

Besides these games where nearly 2 years ago, i never played duels then, it wasn't until after these games that me and arii playing duels and i learned how to adjust my playing style. You won a few games ages ago to hut luck and you've been afraid to play ever since. Arii, me, woke, SF could all kick your ass, even with your specialized settings.

[Alexander's Horse]

Hey Ming, is the popcorn machine broken or something?

[markusf]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
Lets face it, I own you on all settings. I've already proved that I am beyond you in every way shape and form.

hahaha Thats the funniest thing i have ever heard. I own your ass on 2x, proved that a long time ago, but you seem to only remember the occasional games that you won.

Remember we set up a best players gameleague game to prove once and for all who the best players where? you kaak, me vlad alia played. (vlad and alia played more as witnesses) You kaak and alia allied and after i slaughtered kaak you didn't want to continue anymore to bad i can't dig up the gameleague threads anymore. Now unless there is another game like that i will always be the undisputed champion of 2x You and kaak allied couldn't even beat me what makes you think you alone are any match for me?

I attached the save that is from before i wiped out kaak. (your celts and kaak was greeks)

[Eyes_Of_Night]

HA HA! See the nice thing about this conversation is that I can end it any time I want by beating the **** out of you. But I'm going to let it continue and mold into the fight that I want. In the mean time grovel for a game and I'll decide whether or not you are worthy of my time.

"I wanted to play on diety settings back then, but no you didn't want to. I wanted to host etc etc etc.

As i had posted in that thread before i got republic at 500 bc in those games, which is way to late.. And if that wasn't bad enough, you pegged off HG bachs and mikes and you admit to having free tech now???, face it you had great starts all 3 games + a LOT of trade specials. Which when playing on king level can be fully used because happiness isn't a problem.

Besides these games where nearly 2 years ago, i never played duels then, it wasn't until after these games that me and arii playing duels and i learned how to adjust my playing style. You won a few games ages ago to hut luck and you've been afraid to play ever since. Arii, me, woke, SF could all kick your ass, even with your specialized settings."

Ok, first you denied that any of these games even existed. Now that you have suddenly remebered these games you come up with a million reasons why you lost them...ALL OF THEM DIFFERENT FROM THE REASONS YOU GAVE LAST YEAR!!! LOL And that was ONE year ago genius. As for woke kicking my ass...FUNNY! Woke can't even beat me on 1x1x Deity, need I say more? Trade specials? Yeah, you had such horrible starts!! MY GOD!! Those damn whales! Why must you always get them? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY CAN'T YOU GET A GOOD RESOURCE!! You're right, that's the reason you lost.

"Yup you must be the best, you will only play duels, you will only play on a medium map, and you will only play if you can host, and you will only play if i am not allowed to build a single caravan the whole game. First game we played you had a bunch of free techs, and 2 settlers allowing you to get rep by 2200 bc. All the huts you tripped where tribes or huts on the path to rep. Where as mine where 6 techs to no government, leaving me with a mess till 500 bc both games. I notice that you have 2 icq accounts online a lot, and sometimes 3 online at the same time. I guess all those extra computers really add to your playing ability? Anyways if you played in simul games with 4 or 5 players you might actually learn how to play, and not be the laughing stock of apolyton."

No, wait, that's the reason you lost...I think...

"I treated them as practice sessions, never expected you to post them.
you played 2 years ago.. I even posted it was only my 4rth or 5th duel. I didn't even know what to do in duels!
i know, and i am saying i didn't play any 1x 1x duels before that."

Ahhhhhh...that's why you lost. Now that explains everything. Are there any other reasons you lost? Maybe the sun was shinining on your computer screen creating a glare?

"As i had posted in that thread before i got republic at 500 bc in those games, which is way to late.."

Amazing! Every single game you got it at 500BC. That must be a record. 3 games in a row you got it at 500BC. No...wait...that third game I established an embassy with you and you had exact same techs as me at one point. And the second game you stole republic from me a few turns after I got it. You really should try to land on just one story.

"Remember we set up a best players gameleague game to prove once and for all who the best players where? you kaak, me vlad alia played. (vlad and alia played more as witnesses) You kaak and alia allied and after i slaughtered kaak you didn't want to continue anymore to bad i can't dig up the gameleague threads anymore. Now unless there is another game like that i will always be the undisputed champion of 2x You and kaak allied couldn't even beat me what makes you think you alone are any match for me?"

LOL Best players of gameleague huh? Lets just examine that statement a second. Vlad was rated what...800? Alia was right around there too. So how is that the best of gameleague? And unfortunately that link doesn't work. Nor do I think there is really anyone else here that would believe that one.

Ok, so lets go over this one more time...the reason you lost those games was because:

1) You had no duel experience.
2) I got republic way before you.
3) I had awesome trade specials, you had only desert, endless waves of desert.
4) The sun was shining on your screen creating a glare.
5) THose games were 2 years ago...wait those were 1 year ago, thought you were supposedly a god at 1x1x back then with your super trade strategy and ****?
6) I was using 6 computers with a zillion hex editors working all at once.
7) I insisted on no caravans because you were such a god at trade and were able to turn your caravans into commando units that could kill veteran ironclads with ease.
8) You had the flu and there was no heat in your building with the temperature below 12 degrees.
9) YOu weren't really taking those games seriously because you had no idea I would post (Even though I hyped the game for a while and talked about how awesome I was at 1x1x) so you treated them simply as practice games.
I can't remember all the other reasons you gave for losing, there's just too many of them.

[Alexander's Horse]

Cat fight!

Since Eyes beat Markusf and Raz beat Eyes that would make Raz the greatest of the three