The Dummy Guide to Trade.

[markusf]

Originally posted by finbar
Sounds like markus has got hold of a copy of the "Civ 2 Official Strategy Guide" by David Ellis. Or someone has. All these formulae - and modifiers - are in the book. As I posted in the City Bribe thread, though, some of the formulae have been found to be suspect by the arithmetically-inclined members of this site. Which isn't to say the Trade forumla is suspect. I just wish I could remember, for the benefit of all of us, which formulae were shot down ...

yes, reposted them as many people here keep forgetting them or don't know about them. And yes the trade formula is a little off for prenavigation, and invention you actually get double what is predicted..


I played a test game with dagmine today.. 800 gold a turn at 1ad and about 30 techs.. I traded dagmine 3 techs at the start. We didn't max out trade in our cities or anything.. at 300 bc i had 30 caravans just sitting around..

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by markusf


You have 1 port city that i know of and its size 2.
My biggest cities are size 4 and 5.. When going 0% lux all your biggest cities show in the T5.. at least they did when i last checked, none of your cities where over size 4

Okay, now name all my cities

And don't expect me to trade with you

No silk for you!

[markusf]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


Okay, now name all my cities

And don't expect me to trade with you

No silk for you!

lol i don't even have a save of the game.

they all had screwed up numbers and symbols. lol I think i uncouvered like 6 cities.. Remember i have a whole bunch of knights running all over your map.

[Alexander's Horse]

Good game that.

[rah]

Unless you have vet ships, a lot of players will attempt to stop you from delivering caravans to their cities. Losing ships full of caravans can have a significant impact on your cost benefit analysis.

RAH

[DrFell]

Yep but in bigger MP games you can usually count on having at least some kind of offshore ally (hopefully).

[rah]

We usually play on small maps with large land masses. As a result there are very few offshore opportunities. The last game I played in, when I finally found continent 2, it was three squares in total. Continent 3 was a one square Island. There was no Continent 4. That makes it a little more difficult.

[DrFell]

I generally play 4-ways on 50x60 maps, make them islandy as that makes it a bit more interesting. I used to play on small map continents all the time but there isn't much challenge left on the zone with that setting, and the game normally ends quick on 2x moves.

You don't need a big continent to get a nice offshore trading city or two remember - in fact those sea squares make it much more ideal on 2x production as you're going to get more trade for bigger bonuses.

[rah]

But you have to find them. And on a small map, if there is only one or two of them, the player closest usually gobbles them up quite quickly.

[markusf]

Originally posted by rah
But you have to find them. And on a small map, if there is only one or two of them, the player closest usually gobbles them up quite quickly.

If your playing 2x, the bonus is huge to begin with... Doesn't matter if your on another island or not.. Remember that game a few weeks ago? me and war4ever where using caravans, i got to spies by the end of the session. A tech every turn.

[rah]

Yeah, you were cruising in that one. I was getting two techs every three turn trading in commie and still falling behind, but right before the end I dropped back into rep to pump up the pop for the final PG.

Where you guys trading caravans. That makes a diff. I usually don't let his near my cities.

RAH

[markusf]

Originally posted by rah
Yeah, you were cruising in that one. I was getting two techs every three turn trading in commie and still falling behind, but right before the end I dropped back into rep to pump up the pop for the final PG.

Where you guys trading caravans. That makes a diff. I usually don't let his near my cities.

RAH

no cara gifting is cheating..

I told him early where to build his cities and he did.. Near the end he had a city on the water and i was just cranking out cara's to get 3 routes everywhere. I then sent them to his big city by ship... I had 120 science in size 8 cities. water is the key in 2x !!

[Eyes_Of_Night]

Markus forgets to mention that this doesn't work so hot if the other guy takes all his trade out of the cities you're sending caravans to. And you have to roll over and take it up the ass while he sits there flooding caravans all over you. And you have not not build any army or sink any of his boats. And you have to not expand at all lest you become too enormous and powerful for him. And you need to be a republic in order for him to get mega trade anyways. Did I mention you aren't supposed to attack him at all while he's flooding you with caravans?

[rah]

Originally posted by markusf


no cara gifting is cheating..

I told him early where to build his cities and he did.. Near the end he had a city on the water and i was just cranking out cara's to get 3 routes everywhere. I then sent them to his big city by ship... I had 120 science in size 8 cities. water is the key in 2x !!

Actually i meant "did you have a trade treaty?"
which based on your answer, I can figure it out. I know you guys wouldn't gift um.

I'm with eyes on this one, much more fun to disrupt that type of thing.

RAH

[Alexander's Horse]

Trading with Eyes of Night - what a novel thought

I trade with other civs but I think I'm going to change that soon.