Discussion thread to set up a brand new diplo game: USA Thurs nights

[deity]

HOTW2 may continue in one form or another but around mid-evening USA Thurs nights we should be able to get a new diplo going.
Please apply within: Players who will be around for a year or so...

Here is a thread to start discussion.

* For openers I'll suggest a random or cavebear map.
* I'd like deity level - of course
* No Howitzers?
* Limits on warfare or time limits, but lag is uneven for players.
* SEVEN civs and a pool of subs.
* limits on Happy Wonders.

but heck I'm easy!

[Frank Johnson]

* For openers I'll suggest a random or cavebear map.

What size?

* I'd like deity level - of course
* No Howitzers?

If you use a random map, espically a larger one, the increased ammount of oceans will limit howies. Unlike the usual world map railroad slugouts.

* Limits on warfare or time limits, but lag is uneven for players.

If there's gonna be a war, there's gonna be a war. I Guess there's not alot you can do about it.

* SEVEN civs and a pool of subs.

Okay/

* limits on Happy Wonders.

More details? One per civ? none? How about none at all?


The last games had alot of mods in it. Why not take some modern unit and give it pikeman ability? I know I have suggested this before and not many listened. It's bonus for fighting mounted units is dervived from the unit having 2 movement. The only late game land unit with 2 moves is the howie. You could give it to a current unit, like mech inf, or make a new one.......

Heavy Infantry - 6/6/1 3/1 50 (Pikeman)
Modern Regular Infantry, best defensive ability of any unit available. +50% defense against howitzers, these units are trained to endure bombardment and have counter measures on hand.........

[Prometheus]

I would like to play,

My suggestions
- No Wonders (save Apollo of coarse)
- Emperor Level
- Normal Size map
- 5 players
- Increased ship and air movement
- No unit or city bribing
- No SDI

I think there should be fewer players that way subs will not be that much of an issue and time will move faster. A normal sized map will help time also and besides that we won’t have to worry about filling the map. And numbers of cities are less of a strategic tool, than picking good sites for them.

I am flexible also, on all of these things…

As far as the Diplo Rules go…

War, double dealing and back stabbing of coarse will all be included:
War:
Wars of pure aggression but with out an in game reason would be allowed; there have been times in history of pure aggression; it will be up to the world to stop them or they themselves may be next.
It would be in bad form however to wipe someone out, and/or to cripple them early in the game.
It would be ok though to press your advantage if you wanted a river valley ect. It will be up to you whether you want to have a friend on your border or a future enemy.

There are quite a few thoughts on “Balance of Power” equality and fairness in a diplo game, there of coarse is no correct thought, but I think that the game should be more machiavellian in the sense that you do what is good for your Nation not the balance of power. There will be a point in the game when you want to keep the balance of power in the world and then there will be the point where you want to break it for your advantage. However once you do so, you your self might become on the receiving end one day.

Equality and Fairness, where the players all hope to give each other a fair amount of land and opportunity instead of pressing their advantage. It of coarse is up to the individual player however, I see no problem if a civ lands on a big continent and can fill it before anyone lands on it. That they do so, the rest should then join to form a united front against it hence the balance of power will naturally play a role to counter the large threat.

The threat of being overrun, militarily or politically are what makes Diplomacy it is not because everyone is nice and happy, the threat must always be there, that is why I don’t agree to limiting war or alliances.

If a person is in an alliance you don’t like offer them something to change, tech, money, land, an opportunity to win.

A single person’s innovation can help improve the game or think of new Ideas, like foreign aid, payment, and reparations, all could be implemented.

That is all I have to say for now, but feel free to disagree and help shape the next diplo game. I am willing to play anyway have coarse and am not a diplo vet by any means but this is how I would like to play.

[deity]

I think a biggish map.

Capo would still be good in the game as a seventh player

I'd miss him.. every second week or so! He could alternate with the AI and post GREAT STORIES!

[The Capo]

God I suck...

Guys, I am really a bastard.

I'll tell you what really happened Thursday, you're going to hate me but at least I'm telling the truth... hope that counts somehow. Before I even begin I'd just like to say that if I were in your shoes I'd be pissed off and would kick me out of the diplogame and probably be VERY hesitant to put me in another one. But whatever...

I finish my last class Thursday around 2:30 pm, my car broke down last week so I had to go down to the Pub via the Washington Metropolitan Area Mass Transit, which sucks, to pick up my paycheck and then go back up to school to meet my girlfriend. So I get back to school around four or so, and my best friend James asks what I am doing tonight. I tell him that I have something to do at 8:00 and I can't miss it (HOTW2). He tells me that Joe is turning 21 and we have to go party with him and sh*t. Me being an alcoholic douchebag who obviously doesn't have any consideration for a good bunch of guys that have sacrificed their valuable time to entertain me (well themselves too, but still) tell James that I'll go drink with Joe but only for a little while because I have to be back at 8:00. So we go to Joe's place and start drinkin, before I realize it its 8:30. Joe doesn't have a computer, amazingly, so I couldn't get online to tell you guys. Plus Joe doesn't have any fuggin buses around his house so instead of getting a cab like a should have, or pleaing for a ride from someone, or calling my girlfriend to drive me back I stay and get plastered off my ass.

As I write this I am STILL in the same clothes I wore last night in the UMD terminal. I am a very irresponsable ******* and I deserve anything you guys throw at me.

Now you may ask yourself? Why the hell would he just pass up a game that he not only had a major hand in creating, but did so even after he PROMISED that he would show up.

I wanted to be there, I wanted to fight this war, but it wasn't the same as being dedicated. Drake's statements that this degenerated from a diplogame are somewhat part of it, but I still didn't buy it. To me this is part of a diplogame, wars can happen based on naked aggression that's fine, but I was so distant from my nation, so inactive in its executions that I had no real mental want to play it, that's why I think I was able to just pass it up for freakin' alcohol.

Like I said, its my fault that I wasn't there for a month and my country got dicked, its my fault that everytime I didn't show up my country was in a war and I shouldn't blame my enemies for it because they shouldn't just STOP ATTACKING just because I wasn't there. And finally its my fault for not showing up for like, six wars with Israel. I never actually fought Israel, which is lame as hell because we sure had a rivalry.

Anyway, that's what I'm saying. I'd like to be in a diplogame similar to HOTW2, we could even call it HOTW3 if you guys so desire. But I think it would be wise for you guys to kick me out of HOTW2, I really don't DESERVE to play in it. What I've done is far worse than what Easthaven did or what Dimbleby had potential to do (or not do). We kicked them out easily, why do I deserve different treatment?

With that said I'd continue HOTW2 but it wouldn't be the same for me.

If we do start a new diplogame/HOTW3 I'd like to be the United States of America.

[The Capo]

My ideas for the game...

A non-Earth map is a very interesting idea, if done correctly.

For one I don't think that we should use Civ's random planet creator option, because it creates really stupid and nonsensical maps.

I think we should either collaborate on what it should generally look like and make it ourselves, or "hire" someone else out to do so.

As far as wars and alliances go, the least restrictions the better. This should not even be an issue in a diplogame.

I think we should use the following HOTW2 concepts: We raise the price of happy wonders, no SDI, tech paradigm is slowed, nukes cost more, Fascism is put into place, Communism can support more units, and we put in the HOTW2 added units (Recon Plane, Longship, Mobile SAM), spies have sub qualities.

In addition I think if there is concern over Howitzers, I don't really seem to think there should be, we should raise their build rate as well.

Since I was under the impression that we would be playing on an EARTH map I will rescind my American bid and ask that I am allowed to play as the Celtics.

I still think HOTW2 should be finished, I don't think a new Diplogame, or HOTW3 for that matter should begin until HOTW2 ends or at least is going to be ended.

Also, since we are using the random map to create a mystery atmosphere I think we should also deny humans the ability to speak before they make contact, that way close tribes can develope their similar "cultures" if you catch my drift. ICQ can be used for OOC discussions rather than the King Chat, thoughts?

[Rasputin]

why not no wonders at all.!!! why should appollo be included, it has always seemed to me a silly way to end game....

I prefer a larger world , defianly a random map, and some larger oceans to make navy an issue..

deity level would be fun to do with no wonders ,, lots of improvemnts needed...

i can be availeble as per my current schedule, but would like to have a break till after New Year... (i am still avaialble to finish the current one)

As for wars, I think they should be encouraged early not later, it is end wars that take so long and slow the game down,,, end times need to be more peaceful

[belinda9]

Hi guys
I'll make y'all a big ol' "random" map
Matter of fact, I've got one I've been working on that would be really good for a 5-7 player game

[common_terry]

HI ILL PLAY! (or sub) (or make a map)

and ill play with a rpg attitude!
i like emporerx1x1 non player made or random smallish map (55x55)? i like the wonders !
lets play this thursday!

love and peace (unless no one is getting killed)! terry

[deity]

Belinda, Post your map/scn!

Originally posted by belinda9
Hi guys
I'll make y'all a big ol' "random" map
Matter of fact, I've got one I've been working on that would be really good for a 5-7 player game

I'd love to check it out!

Not too keen on randoms unless we want an unknown worl game.

[deity]

Here's one of mine...

This is a map I did for a scn a while back.

[CommandoAndy]

Hi,

I would like to try my hand at a diplo game!

Thanks

[Rasputin]

i would like to try a random map.. a non world one.. I think knowing a lot of the world layout dictates too much of what p[eople do at start... the only benifit i see on playing a world map is to allow discussion of known areas in threads, a small price to lose for playing unknown world

[common_terry]

ill play thursdays

i like random maps tween medium and small (55x55)~
i can play if u all will have me!

thanks terry

[The Capo]

Random map is a no no...

I don't think we should do a straight random map.

While HOTW2's future is very unclear right now I'm going to discuss playing in this game until I figure that sh*t out.

But we shouldn't do a straight up random map because they tend to be pretty lame.

We should either just get one of us to make it and to just randomly throw out the civ start points or we should get someone else to do it and allow that guy/gal to use their judgement in placing the tribes.

And uh, you guys want me to make a mod for this? Cuz I think it'd be cool to make a mod with flags and sh*t. Also since this is a random map we should make our own countries up, that'd be cool and would give it a personal flair.