Discussion thread to set up a brand new diplo game: USA Thurs nights

[The Capo]

Well alright then...

First of all it is impossible for me to play in two diplogames at once, it requires too much concentration and it would take away from my playing ability, posting ability, and general comfort in my schedule.

As far as Rasputin's contention that HOTW3 would occur on Fridays I have to disagree, I can't make fridays. Under my current work schedule Thursday and Saturday are the best days for that, so the game would have to commence there.

Thus if this game occurs on Thursday it will be occuring at the same time as HOTW3, which would make it impossible for people to play in both.

Therefore there's going to have to be a decision made here in one direction or another.

[Rasputin]

wel lactually running HOTW3 and "THE NEW DIPLO" on same night could be advantagous. All subs just hav eto keep the one night free... we have about 9 interested people so far maybe more... so that makes easily two games of 5 people possible and after the end game slowlness in HOTW2 perhaps 5 would be a good number...


I suggest running both games, allow Capo to design HOTW3 and take sign ups in the thread of that name, and let this game play too and let the intereested people sign here...

[The Capo]

Hmm, Capo has an epiphany...

I was thinking, maybe we could play both games as HOTW3...

Think about it. Winning the game might not mean arriving on another planet, but each game could be the other game's "AC" if you know what I'm saying?

They could both be called HOTW3 just for sh*ts and giggles, and the way it goes is that let's say on the Earth they send a ship and it reaches the "Other Game's Planet" we'll just say that's what happened and it will be fun but not really effect anything else. So in essence we have an Earth game where your ship reaches AC, and an AC game where your ship reaches Earth.

Basically two five player games that compliment eachother in only that respect and in the fact that we'll call it HOTW3 (History of th Worlds 3). Get it?

I can make the mod for both games, and since I'd rather play in the Earth version I can create the map and starting locations without having any bias at all. So what do you guys think of that idea?

[Rasputin]

Im still not convinced Space is the way to win a diplo game,,, we need t ocome up with something better !!!!

[Makeo]

deity i can't play this thursday as it is thanksgiving. the greatest holiday ever invented and i have to go eat till it hurts.

[The Capo]

I didn't say you would win.

I didn't say you would win by going to space, we'll just act like these are the other planets and all.

[markusf]

I could play....

Time to raze diety's pathetic civ to the ground.

[deity]

Originally posted by markusf
I could play....

Time to raze diety's pathetic civ to the ground.

So, the guy who has no idea how to play a diplo game;

the guy who quit from the Tourney game cos he lost ONE city due to my treachery AFTER he had been treacherous to me;

the guy that caused the Tourney to subsequently fall apart;

the guy who has not spoken to me on icq ever since and probably wants revenge regardles of dipo role playing;

the guy who uses super growth, super trade and the civ program code to the max....

... wants IN on a our diplo game?????

You must be joking!

Not in my game; and I'll only play you again IF you finish that tourney game, otherwise you are in my books as a time wasting quitter.

[The Capo]

I support Deity...

Based on what I've read and Deity's statements I think it would be wise to keep him out of the game.

This is, by the way, not the first case that Markusf has been accused of this stuff. I was in the New Mil Euro Game and he was also accused of the same things and not playing fairly. So I think I'll support Deity and say that I don't think Markus should be in the game either.

But regardless of this, I still think we should sort this stuff out because I have two modpacks to make as of right now, and I'd like to at last have a slight clue as to what I'm making. So let's get on it.

BTW, if we are playing an Earth-based diplogame I'm playing as the United States or the Celts.

There ya go.

[markusf]

Originally posted by deity


So, the guy who has no idea how to play a diplo game;

the guy who quit from the Tourney game cos he lost ONE city due to my treachery AFTER he had been treacherous to me;

the guy that caused the Tourney to subsequently fall apart;

the guy who has not spoken to me on icq ever since and probably wants revenge regardles of dipo role playing;

the guy who uses super growth, super trade and the civ program code to the max....

... wants IN on a our diplo game?????

You must be joking!

Not in my game; and I'll only play you again IF you finish that tourney game, otherwise you are in my books as a time wasting quitter.

There is a difference between treachery and cheating.

[markusf]

Re: I support Deity...

Originally posted by The Capo
Based on what I've read and Deity's statements I think it would be wise to keep him out of the game.

This is, by the way, not the first case that Markusf has been accused of this stuff. I was in the New Mil Euro Game and he was also accused of the same things and not playing fairly. So I think I'll support Deity and say that I don't think Markus should be in the game either.

But regardless of this, I still think we should sort this stuff out because I have two modpacks to make as of right now, and I'd like to at last have a slight clue as to what I'm making. So let's get on it.

BTW, if we are playing an Earth-based diplogame I'm playing as the United States or the Celts.

There ya go.

Your memory seems to be a bit faulty. I sided with you and told curumber to get over it, because he did the exact same thing to me about 20 turns before.

[deity]

Originally posted by markusf


There is a difference between treachery and cheating.

Cavebear, the tourney organiser, studied the saves exhaustively and spoke to all players about it. He deemed that no 'cheating' took place and anyone who knows me would vouch for that anyway. It's pathetic how you keep using the 'c' word, without any apology, and yet still want to play me!

Basiccally you were done in strategy terms and like Eyes and some other players, unless you have the circumstances in a game to your liking you basically quit out. Such players never lose because they never finish a game with a bad start or a bad run of events!

That said I must be fair and say that when Markus is not under pressure in a game he is a good sport; but when faced with losing he changes his colours very quickly.

[Frank Johnson]

Tch.....deside guys.

Do you want new victory conditions?

As for me........

Medium non-world map

Deity-level, (with extra riot factor if you ask me)

7 civs

Leader: Dangime

Tribe: Sanclad (Sanclads)

Despotism: Lord Dangime
Monarchy: King Dangime
Republic: Sir Dangime
Communism: Chairman Dangime
Fundamentalism: Lord Dangime
Democracy: President Dangime


City List
Sanclad
Dangistclad
Trinton
Frelans
Varnstclad
Honston
Bornsvont
Dormstvatin
Arborvont
Jonsta Verna
Cestaclad
Ernstlans
Sendelton
Keptervatin

A flag will be forth coming.



A far as a need for alternate victory conditions.....which some of us think are needed to avoid more lag-a-thons besides using a medium map.......

I suggest the following....
After a reasonable interval the following is taken......

Population
Production
Technology
Military Units

Each civ is rated 1st-7th.....first=1 pt. 7th=7pts.

Then every player rates all the other 6 players on the following.

Public Opinion - How much you "like" another civ. rate each civ 1st -6th. 1st = 1pt. 6th =6pts.

So there are 10 catigories........4 hard statistical ones, and 6 player opinion scores.

Worst possible 64
Average 37
Best Possible 10

Let someone who gets 25 or 20 points or less win.......
Its assumed then the player could......
A) Have any player he didn't like killed off
B) Controls considerable power and diplomatic means

It also promotes posting. What do you think?

[deity]

Originally posted by Frank Johnson
Tch.....deside guys.

Do you want new victory conditions?

As for me........

Medium non-world map

Deity-level, (with extra riot factor if you ask me)

7 civs

Leader: Dangime

Tribe: Sanclad (Sanclads)

Despotism: Lord Dangime
Monarchy: King Dangime
Republic: Sir Dangime
Communism: Chairman Dangime
Fundamentalism: Lord Dangime
Democracy: President Dangime


City List
Sanclad
Dangistclad
Trinton
Frelans
Varnstclad
Honston
Bornsvont
Dormstvatin
Arborvont
Jonsta Verna
Cestaclad
Ernstlans
Sendelton
Keptervatin

A flag will be forth coming.



A far as a need for alternate victory conditions.....which some of us think are needed to avoid more lag-a-thons besides using a medium map.......

I suggest the following....
After a reasonable interval the following is taken......

Population
Production
Technology
Military Units

Each civ is rated 1st-7th.....first=1 pt. 7th=7pts.

Then every player rates all the other 6 players on the following.

Public Opinion - How much you "like" another civ. rate each civ 1st -6th. 1st = 1pt. 6th =6pts.

So there are 10 catigories........4 hard statistical ones, and 6 player opinion scores.

Worst possible 64
Average 37
Best Possible 10

Let someone who gets 25 or 20 points or less win.......
Its assumed then the player could......
A) Have any player he didn't like killed off
B) Controls considerable power and diplomatic means

It also promotes posting. What do you think?

I like your ideas - thanks for your energy!

I reckon Frank sets up this pak and I'll accept his rules etc and same with Capo's HOTW3.

The only problem is that the player opinions could be biased beyond the game itself but no worries

[Frank Johnson]

So we're playing 2 games? Well I fully intend to play in HOTW3 also.

If i'm being given reign over this game....whatever it's going to be, I see a chance to make an anti-lag wonder game, with lots of mods in it to reduce lag....etc........

But I don't see the point.....the only reason 2 games are being suggested is no one wants to confer they just want to throw the next game out there, so unless people WANT a 2nd game besides HOTW3......why should I sweat it out when no one cares about the effort? I'll just play HOTW3 that is unless there's genuine desire for a 2nd game.