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  • #61
    In keeping with the spirit of formats presented thus far; I shall do the same. Forgive my first attempt:

    CHINESE GAZETTE 1st Decade of the Kai-shek Republic (1774 AD)

    Shocking News Revealed! MUST SEE!

    In what is being called the dupe of the century, Chinese officials have just released earth-shattering news. With the new dynasty of Kai-shek in its infancy, state employees have been swamped with a mountain of tasks in an attempt to clean up after the recently ousted Tse Tung Republic. It was not until recently that a report on the War with Russia was found in the deceased Defense Minister's office. This Casualty report clearly shows that NO Russian Freight has EVER been attacked and destroyed by ANY Chinese Unit. In fact, no modern day units of Russia have been destroyed at the hands of the Chinese either. Historical reports show that the Russians used a SUPPOSED attack on freight as an excuse to invade China for the preservation of Trade. Such clandestine approaches to world politics, when discovered can not be rewarded. The Republic senate has suspended all agreements with the Russian State, until exact details can be accessed. However, officials expect, unless further justification can be found, that the Treaty with Russia will be voided. In addition, if these results are proven, reparations will be sought in the world court against Russia.

    Baptism by Fire for Consul Chiang Kai-shek

    "Welcome to our world, Mr. Kai-shek, now give me…" or "You owe me this…" These were just some of the phrases heard by our new leader Chiang in his meetings with the world's Heads of State. Bombarded by demands from around the world and faced with domestic turmoil in many key cities, Chiang applied the same skills of Diplomacy and Management, which got him elected Proconsul, to the chaos at hand. By simultaneously ceasing the dedication to science that has enveloped the rest of the world, and by building up the Treasury and increasing the luxury rate, the Chinese population has boomed in happiness never seen before. The new Imperial Senate has also instituted sweeping city reforms and imposed a new four year mandatory service requirement, all part of the new Rearmament Plan of 1766. "With a strong treasury, economy, and military, China will no longer bow down to Foreign Pressures. Chinese citizens have been subjected long enough to mediocrity, this will be no more."

    Russian Deal Frees New Yakutsk

    After a long, drawn out battle of diplomatic wits, war was narrowly avoided with Russia this decade. Upon reestablishing order in the land, the Imperial Senate began the road to restoration of the old Republic. The first step came when the JTF accepted a cease-fire in hostilities. The second step was much more difficult to take. By seeking the restoration of New Yakutsk to Chinese rule, officials hoped for the return of the merchant fleet to the seas. Russian insistence for reparations (on which validity is now under investigation) sparked heavy negotiations between the two nations. With crack troops ready to strike, war was averted at the last moment and our troops were pulled back in order for negotiations to begin. For the return of New Yakutsk, Russia opened with the demand of 200 gold, mobile warfare, and an undetermined city. China's foreign minister countered with the offering of the Kamchatka Peninsula for Russian settlement and 200 gold or mobile warfare. The final settlement allowed for three small Russian settlements in the extended Kamchatka Peninsula and 750 gold and the ban on offensive naval units out of New Yakutsk.

    Vikings Pursue Policy of Blatant Expansionism

    While the Russian situation heated up, the invasion of Korea ceased and Chinese military forces took a defensive stance along the frontiers; the Vikings quietly pursued the "return" of Nanking. Many officials old enough to recall the history of China/Viking relations have called it the insult of the century. With the demand for Nanking dumped upon the Imperial Senate, these older Chinese and foreign officials were quick to come forward with stories of the rape of Nanking and four other former Chinese cities by the Viking horde, in what has been called blatant expansionism. Chiang was given a standing ovation as he appeared before the Imperial Senate and proclaimed the refusal to give up Chinese citizens to any foreign government. Negotiations over the remaining four Chinese cities has reportedly gone poorly. Coming off of their hard fought diplomacy battle with the Russians, Chinese diplomats welcomed a break in discussions with the Vikings, as both sides were clearly tired from the long day of battles.

    On Lighter Side

    The Chinese Republic was proud to be involved in the shattering of the world trade record. Novisibrisk received silk from far away Bogota for a record 1109 gold trade profit; The JTF was kind enough to share the profits with China.

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    • #62
      World Review: Nr.3

      By the the English Ministery of Foreign Affairs

      This is the current situation in 1772:
      • Russians (25 cities) Pasti2 Size: Large
      • Japanese (30) GrauGeist Size: Large
      • Vikings (17) Milo Size: Medium
      • Aztecs (28) Nappy Size: Large
      • Chinese (14) Pseudo Size: Medium
      • English (18) CapTVK Size: Medium
      • Sioux (14) *open* Size: Medium


      No real surprises here, the big three get bigger and the playful quartet tries to keep up. The Chinese are back into the game while the Sioux fall behind. Due perhaps to the fact that no Sioux leader was present this session.

      Map and other news to follow...


      <font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by CapTVK (edited September 27, 1999).]</font>
      Skeptics should forego any thought of convincing the unconvinced that we hold the torch of truth illuminating the darkness. A more modest, realistic, and achievable goal is to encourage the idea that one may be mistaken. Doubt is humbling and constructive; it leads to rational thought in weighing alternatives and fully reexamining options, and it opens unlimited vistas.

      Elie A. Shneour Skeptical Inquirer

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      • #63
        Fantastic to see this game still up and running. I thought I had played my last Civ2 when my latest diplomacy game collapsed due to busy lives and a general lack of steam. Its great to see the endurance of this game and the eloquence of the contributor's diplomacy, proving that it can be done and that diplomatic Civ can go the distance.

        I would like to see more 'open letters' to specific nations dealing in more depth than the average world roundup can. I am particularly interested to hear more about the Vikings recent dispute with China and would welcome reading further exchanges covering the main issues in detail. It sounds like Japan has mastered the true art of align and conquer diplomacy, offering seemingly the only ray of light in the new Chinese Consul's first session. Fantastic stuff all round.

        Let me know if you plan on starting a new game. I would love to play a 4000BC game with as many of this group as possible.

        Regards
        John

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        • #64
          Open Letter to Pres. Chiang of the Chinese, from the Great Pres. Superstarski, Overseer of the just and free nation of Russia

          The recent article featured in Chinese Gazzette has lead to suspicions of foul play from my wisened negotiators.
          It was indeed stated that freight units onboard a transport had been attacked at sea. This statement itself is true. Reading between the lines I don't think that we said we had lost these units.
          It has always been Russian policy to escort vulnerable units in dangerous or unkown seas, as indeed the Pacific was. Contact had been established, (with an immediate declaration of war by the old Chinese leader) and Russia was therefore wary of sending peaceful units unguarded into the Pacific. Fortunatly our great Navy was vastly superior to China's, and their ironclads were no match for our destroyers and cruisers. Therefore we were attacked, but our resiliant forces proved too strong for our would be assailants. We hope this clears the matter up, as if the treay is declared void we might have to take New Yakust back

          As a foot note, we issue a formal warning to Chinese aggression. We will not tolerate military action against our eternal Allies the Vikings, and condone any threats against them.
          The Russian military experts are aware of China's strength, but warn China that our own is greater, better equipped and more advanced. We also have greater potential for increasing it at any time. We dislike threats (veiled or open), but it appears to be a language that the Chinese understand too well.
          We strongly advise you leave Viking territory alone or negotiate peacefully any disputes. Our combined forces will be no match for yours and you will only lose in the long run. I suspect that other nations will be wary of entering a 2nd (or is it 3rd)
          world war in such a dangerous era.

          To other nations, I warn again of the rashness that handing territory so readily over to a nation that appears to be continuing in a hostile stance, can bring.

          The Russians are hoping for an ease of tensions, but cannot sit back and let ANY of our allies be pushed around, as I would hope that they in turn would (and have in the past) come to my aid.
          Please Chiang, do not let this matter get out of hand, settle for your inheritence. As you yourself have stated, any problems I had with China in the past are not down to you and we should start with a clean slate. So it should also be true that any past disputes of Chinese territory should remain in the past, and down to the old Chinese Govt.

          Thank you for your time gentlemen, and I'd like to reinforce that this is strictly a diplomatic point, and we continue to welcome Pres. Chiang to our world. This is strictly business.

          (Is that an ok open letter John? Personally I'd be happy to start a new game with you in the future, as you have a somewhat legendary status).
          Follow your spirit, and upon this charge Cry 'God for Harry, England and Saint George!

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          • #65
            The New English Times: issue 12 Special edition

            Not a long session this time due to some unfair moves concerning SETI which meant we had to restart at 1766 again. For the rest of the session it was excellent diplomacy all the way.

            P.S
            I'll be away from friday 8 oct till the 10th. If anyone would like to sub a medium strength civ wedged firmly between two worldpowers for a session, here's your chance!


            A new geopolitical worldmap as of 1772AD:


            Main Changes
            Thanks to new leadership (and a solid army) China makes a comeback. First on the Chinese agenda were the JTF with which they signed a cease fire which quickly improved relations. The Russians were next with the return of New Yakutsk to the Chinese in return for the unsettled region of Kamchatka and a sum of gold.
            Tensions with the Vikings remain however as many of their cities originaly belonged to the Chinese. It's clear that the battle for control in Central East Asia is far from over...

            A final note:
            The English have always had some concern over the battering China took in the last few centuries and the resulting 'landrush' that took place at the cost of the Chinese. That's why we announce that the Chinese government can count on our diplomatic support during the negotiations. As the English have no direct interests in Asia we can act as a neutral negotiator in further discussions

            other news to follow...

            Nice to see you're still around JB. Would love to play a Civdiplo session with you but at the moment we're still busy with this one!

            This message has been edited by CapTVK (edited October 17, 1999).
            <font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by CapTVK (edited November 28, 1999).]</font>
            Skeptics should forego any thought of convincing the unconvinced that we hold the torch of truth illuminating the darkness. A more modest, realistic, and achievable goal is to encourage the idea that one may be mistaken. Doubt is humbling and constructive; it leads to rational thought in weighing alternatives and fully reexamining options, and it opens unlimited vistas.

            Elie A. Shneour Skeptical Inquirer

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            • #66
              (I'm really enjoying this game, nothing personal taken Super now here is something back at ya!)

              OPEN LETTER TO: President Superstar FROM: Proconsul Kai-shek

              Dear Sir,
              It is humourous that your letter clearly states that a naval battle occured to the success of the Russian Fleet. According to records recently uncovered, the Chinese Navy never lost an ironclad. nor possibly possesed such a tool, though that is quite unknown. Rather, taken in addition with your own veiled threats, it is apparent to us that this war between our sucessors and the Russians was clearly provoked by the Russians in an attempt to grab a colony in amongst the diminishing available land in the world. (Your historical representation of real chinese history is uncanny, though a century early )

              We are a relatively new government and have great pride in the peace and exchange with you that occured in our infancy. Nothing more clearly can be done in this matter. You yourself have stated that the peninsula would be settled with or without our blessing. You have our money and not likely to return it, as we are not prepared to return our people to Russian rule. So it is apparent that nothing more can be done and that the world will continue on. However, (as the computer always says) your reputation in dealing with us will proceed you whereever you go. And we will be weary of any agreement or promise your nation makes.

              Unveiled: please be aware; yes our military strength is grand, and yes you have the ability to build yours as well. However, projecting this power and building it up take time and money combined. Both of which neither of you have. And something neither of your governments will allow. We are a peaceful people who just want international justice. One city of little importance is all we requested from the Vikings. It seems only fair if we are going to be able to compete in the global economy. Especially after decades of expansionism and destruction caused to our ancestors by the Vikings.

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              • #67
                A reply to Pres. Chiang from Pres. Superstar.

                Thank you for stating that nothing personal was taking, (I was worried) and be assured none is taken by myself.

                i don't know where you receive your historical evidence from, but I must once again state that you are incorrect. My navy was attacked, and thus your seaport was taken.
                As to my military status. Yes I am in democracy, but the great Women's Suffrage movement has made a considerable difference to my troops staying away from home. My army remains greater than yours, and with proposed airports transportation will not be a problem. As for money my treasury takes only a single turn to improve considerably, and with the added bonus of several Freights about to form new trade routes, my cashflow will only improve.
                I am also near major military improvements, and state once again that my army is ready and willing.
                The Russians will honour the New Yakust agreement until such a time that Chinese aggression is deemed unacceptable. I.e. Any attack on Viking territory. There are peaceful soloutions to these problems, and I recommend that Cap take up a negotiatory role due to his claims of neutrality. Please do not enter into a war on China's side Cap, or else our allied status will be revoked, and the proposed city deal we have will be shelved. We wish to continue our fine relations with the English, and it is with great pain that we make these statements.

                Once again Chiang, we beg of you, find a peaceful soloution.

                Thank you for you time, and may peace prevail in our time.
                Follow your spirit, and upon this charge Cry 'God for Harry, England and Saint George!

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                • #68
                  (yes I'm glad we cleared it up that these are game character statements)

                  To President Super
                  From Proconsul Kai-shek

                  Dear sir, again we laugh at your reasoning. You clearly point out that your attack on my predecessor's port city was was because of an attack on your navy. Please consult your records, for ours show no evidence of either losing an ironclad ship or of any Russian ship being destroyed in this lifetime. It is this evidence that is damning to your case. But, as I have said, the deal is done.

                  As for the satus of your military, yes the Women's Sufferage monument that your advanced nation was so able to construct only covers one out of two Russians that will be upset over an overseas military jaunt. Secondly, overseas is the key point, this affects time and distance from any attack you may carry out. We are not proposing a counterattack on your continent and home soil, where you no doubt have many citizens ready to take up arms against an aggressor. Rather it is you who propose an attack on foreign soil far away from the immediate support of your citizens. Be wary,
                  "whomever controls the land controls the war" -Sun Tzu
                  The Chinese nation also wonders why it is only you who speak out, and not the Vikings, who are at the center of this controversy? Perhaps it is they who should be expaining why they have conquered and kept many Chinese cities, yet are unwilling to release any of their captives? I thought they too were one of those benevelant Democracies.

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                  • #69
                    (Thank you Psuedo for passing on the info from CAP on how to spice up these posts. CAP you should be ashamed of yourself for not sharing this earlier, everyone look at the bottom of your replies and click on the UBB code for these neat tricks)

                    Quote]MINISTRY OF TRADE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT TERMS AND REGULATIONS[/Quote]

                    The usage of International Airports by foreign merchants will be governed under the following rules, regulations and terms of occupation
                    [list type=1][*] International Airports will be used for Trade purposes, any other use will be punishable under extreme prejudice.[*] Airports can be occupied consecutively by a foreign nation for a maximum term of three turns at the cost of 50 gold or 10% of the earnings from the trade establishment. These terms are negotiable. [*] Airports will be returned exactly as they were handed over, on time, punishable by a 50 gold fine. Transports must be present or they will end up being destroyed in the handover.[*] Any attack on foreign freights using the airports or on borrowed JTF transports will result in a declaration of war by the JTF on the attacking power.[*] By declaring these Airports International trading zones the JTF gives up any usage of these sites for military purposes and/or waging war. Respectfully asking all nations to declare them offlimits to potential warzones.[/list]

                    &lt;font size=1 face=Arial color=444444&gt;[This message has been edited by Grau Geist (edited October 01, 1999).]&lt;/font&gt;
                    <font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Grau Geist (edited October 01, 1999).]</font>

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                    • #70
                      Damn I lost the meat of my post trying to figure out thes UBB codes, I don't want to write it all out again so in a nut shell

                      Bogotá International Airport is opening in 1776 with rail access to south america

                      Reykjavik International Airport is opening in 1776 with transport access to the North Atlantic.

                      sites are being considered in Africa and the Pacific for the future

                      oh and by the way this is all in time for the 500th celebration of the Federation Communist Party's overthrow of the Shogunate. yeah :-|

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                      • #71
                        Damn double post cu you all tomorrow 10am pacific, noon central, 1pm eastern, 6pm GMT, and 7pm GMT +1 whew how do we do it?!
                        <font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Grau Geist (edited October 01, 1999).]</font>

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                        • #72
                          Official apology to Chiang, Leader of the Chinese.

                          I have indeed checked my records, and it appears that you are correct. It appears that my memory is not what it used to be (probably because I have been ruling the Russians for several centuries). I think the real reason for rememering the ironclad was that I saw it near one of my transports. Anyway, my sincerest apologies and boy do I look stupid. The deal remains however, and the Chinese still declared war on me. Any nation that does so can expect to suffer similar consequences.
                          As for the Vikings, yes I wish that they would speak out more. I continue to support them however, but cannot fight their corner alone Milo.

                          Interesting Airport offers GG, I'm sure I will be taking you up on the offer soon.

                          Thank you for your time Gentlemen, any comment or discourse is cordially invited.
                          Follow your spirit, and upon this charge Cry 'God for Harry, England and Saint George!

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                          • #73
                            The Year of Our World, 1772
                            Viking Foreign Ministry Position Statement:

                            We have righted the wrong the out-of-control Sioux leadership perpetrated on our fine nation earlier this century while our true leader was away. We brought our western-most city & it’s great cathedral back under our control with relative ease since the people of that fair city most appreciate, & are appreciated by, the free citizens of a democracy! Hear, here!!!

                            On the other hand our northern-most city, also taken over by an out-of-control AI Chinese government during the same time period, has remained in Chinese hands. This is due to several factors;
                            1&gt; the new leader is from the human race & we did not want discourage participation in our world’s affairs by overwhelming him,
                            2&gt; he was rather involved with making peace with the other civ’s the AI Chinese had managed to enrage & start wars with as reported above,
                            3&gt; our new leader, a “Nice Blonde”, assumed not only this world’s duties from Milo “the Dammed” but also wife-god’s shop management on the Sixth Day, which again caused attention & time to be split between world leadership & dealing with the Customer aliens from other worlds.

                            The Vikings agree that this being a former Chinese city that did not prevent the building of the Trans-Gobi RR or otherwise hinder the reasonable development of our once-little Viking civ and in the spirit of world mutual cooperation, we will not pursue the re-taking of it.
                            However, we must point out again to the new Chinese leader, Chiang-Hi, that WE the Viking BUILDERS are the one’s that took a pathetic little city & started it on the way to full development of it’s potential. To whit; other than the marketplace & some roads & irrigation WE, at OUR EXPENSE & LABOR built the following that the new Chinese leader “inherited”:

                            Barracks 40 shields
                            Granary 60
                            Temple 40
                            Marketplace 80
                            City Walls 80
                            + Terrain Development: 2 mines & 4 irrigated squares all with roads or RR
                            + At least 1 rifleman, possibly a cav unit.

                            Now the newly arrived Chinese leader wants even more cities “back” for free or he will send his huge armies to take them back!! How far back does he believe a BRAND NEW dynasty has a “right” to? Does his new-found military “might make it right”?
                            Is this the new standard for our world? Non-democratic, military-driven governments & their new leaders can simply burst on the scene, spend their artificially-inherited gold treasuries on building an even more massive military than the artificial leaders before him did. Rather than develop all the rich, open available lands to them & no other civ? If this is to be, then with the approaching development of this powerful new energy source that is rumored to be capable of destroying entire cites & everything around it… what chance has our world of preventing the ruination of our entire world? Not just a few disputed border cities? Perhaps this should be discussed more fully along with some of the items at the end of this communiqué.

                            As for settling the current situation facing the long-standing Viking/Chinese border cities, which also has great impact on:
                            &#61656; the our long time friends the JFT & their world-leading Comade(?) GG,
                            &#61656; our staunch allies, fellow democracy, & long time friends the Russians & their remarkably sharp President Superstarski,
                            &#61656; our new friends the Aztecs with their tough & now scientific leader, Dr.Nappy.

                            In the interest of world peace & in the spirit of diplomacy, we Vikings are willing to return 1 more city to the new, seemingly permanent Chinese leader. But only in return for compensation for the many improvements, inside & out, the Vikings have paid dearly for since acquiring said city. Plus the costs associated with the city already taken from us. We will do this for:
                            a&gt; 2000 gold +
                            b&gt; 2 tech advances +
                            c&gt; permanent peace treaty with an attitude of “Cordial” or higher +
                            d&gt; cooperation on allowing our freight to pass by said city to overland destinations in Europe.

                            We would remind the all leaders that we have the UN wonder & tho apparently not directly enforceable, should war break out, the other civ’s are required to make peace with us WHEN WE WISH. And it has been the policy of the esteemed group of multiplayers, that such investments in wonders be respected by human leaders as it would be by AI leaders.

                            This offer of peacefully handing back to a new regime what we Vikings have worked so hard for since ancient times is a tough decision, but a fair one in light of the inclusive nature of this world. The price is cheap by today’s standard of trade routes that yield 1000+ gold (congrat’s by the way) plus economies & governments that can leverage good land improvements (as are around all Viking cities) to more production than ever dreamed possible when the Vikings paid for these cities.

                            The choice is yours Chiang-Hi. Peace & prosperity or war & ruination of both our civ’s. I & my allies & friends await your decision. Remember, we ALL & the potential world leaders that read these posts ALL, will remember.


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                            General Gameplay Items:

                            This issue of the AI, especially civ’s with an inherent “aggressive, expansionist” characteristic, MUST BE addressed. Too often during the course of this contest carefully crafted agreements & long-standing relationships have been negated or ignored as soon as AI takes over a civ. Especially true if for more than a session or 2; altho there is mounting evidence that at this deity-level, they take off on their own agenda in a matter of 2-3 turns. This obviously has distorted the course of “history” on many occasions, mostly for the worse.
                            Not that real history has had its examples of shifting alliances & former enemies becoming allies & vice versa. And there have also been cases of civ’s that were reliable, stable neighbors becoming vicious for short periods of time due to a sudden internal change of governments/power brokers.
                            The only “fix” I can think of to at least mitigate some of these more violent swings of AI-run civ’s attitude & therefore behavior is via “attitude modification”.
                            #1 &gt; humans rulers MUST check their diplomatic attitudes & adjust them before the final save of EVERY session.
                            #2 &gt; have someone such as the last host or perhaps even better, the ruler of the smallest/weakest civ, go into the AI civ’s & adjust their attitudes to more accurately reflect the TRUE, HUMAN interaction-based relationships that civ has/should have. This obviously might lead to debate along the current leaders. But this is a “diplomatic” game & if it is that important to a particular human to have a particular AI civ’s attitude toward it set at particular level… then we, or at least those that care, can discuss (ala, the UN Security Council). Otherwise, a standard setting of something like “receptive” should be set if their attitude is something more hostile than that.

                            Manhattan Project:
                            Now here’s a good one… hmm-m-m-m. A tough call. All I can say/think of at this point is to once again look at real history & how the world & it’s leaders reacted/handled it.
                            If a civ builds & uses a nuke to control an out-of-control enemy = ok by me.
                            If it builds & uses as means to simply expand their civ = the other leaders should ban together & smash that civ.
                            If it builds & uses nukes in a desperate attempt to wipe out the civ that has launched the leading spaceship… STOP the game. Restart at the previous turn, deny entry into the player that did it, & finish the game.
                            Or perhaps at that point, call it an obvious victory for the lead spaceship & figure out the places behind the civ. Based on… hmm-m-m-m, another fun debate/discussion, huh??

                            Pollution:
                            Another serious problem that can affect us all. Let me point out as many of thee probably may know, this can also be used as a powerful strategic weapon by land-locked civ’s against civ’s that have many coastal cities exposed to the effects of an icecap meltdown.
                            As has been pleaded before; we must ALL do our share. There seems to be no direct way to control other civ’s pollution generation &/or cleanup short of direct military intervention. Economic controls are also limited (unfortunately, 1 cannot sever a trade route once established), but there are some embargo pressures against new trade & tech’s that could be brought to bear on violators. And of course, we have the court of public exposure & opinion that we can bring to bear. To this I would add, the civ score DOES include negative points for polluters, however if a civ spends the time & resources to build solar plants that help us all, that should be factored into final “standings” also.

                            Passwords:
                            How / why / when did everyone’s passwords get wiped out??!!
                            This I personally DO NOT LIKE no protection, especially in these troubled times & new, unfamiliar leaders coming & going. PLEASE, everyone make sure your civ is protected… not just for your sake, but also for your allies.

                            Also along the lines of spying, it seems some of the capitals have spies. How does 1 discover / uncover / throw them out?

                            Look forward to another rousing session!?

                            <font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by KenThur (edited October 02, 1999).]</font>
                            "Hm-m-m, doubt me you will?"

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                            • #74
                              Very wise words indeed form Milo, will all players please take note and perhaps even vote on the China situation. A new player should not be allowed to step in and seize control of several cities occupied by a faithful and dedicated player, just because they once belonged to that Civ historically. Surely handing back all conquered cities defeats the purpose of war?
                              Milo has made a huge impact on world affiars, most notably his peaceful involvement in the Great Aztec war, which finally found peace amongst the larger civs.
                              I say don't make Milo's civ smaller, the guy deserves our respect in putting up with 2 of the most aggresive Civs in history on his borders(most notably when AI controlled) and should not be squeezed further.

                              Some good issues on pollution and nukes also. I agree with the Nuke reaction proposals, it won't ban Nukes, but will prevent them from destroying our world. As for the Capital city option, I personally don't like the tactic of Nuking it and destroying spaceships, but I'm open to debate on that.

                              One other thing, when a player finally wins, how are we going to decide who came 2nd etc.
                              I feel that a world history should be compiled (not that I'm volunteering mind) and each players diplomatic and social achievments be recognised.

                              A rememberence service for leaders lost.
                              Including;
                              JB, SF, Pastieman the first, urm, Trojan Man, the Sioux player (what was his name?), I can't remember the others, but I'm sure others can. Icer? was he one?
                              Follow your spirit, and upon this charge Cry 'God for Harry, England and Saint George!

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                              • #75
                                The game must be allowed to run its course, we can not continue to place rules as we go outside the character realm. If we all agree that an agressor deserves punishment then it occurs in the game, whether embargo, occupation, etc.
                                As for the Chinese/Viking situation,(continuing out of character) this is indeed a difficult situation. If China has the military strength to roll over Viking positions I gather that the Vikings will have to be a little more appeasing. Might has always made right, are we to suppose that this little world we have created is an exception. It is the winners who make history. Note the Aztec affair, in reality the Aztecs were probably innocent, but fell to the triple alliance, because they were weaker and refused to give.
                                If milo truly isn't in a position to make demands then he should tred lightly. I'm sorry but just because he has been an original player does not mean we should adjust the rules. Neither would I expect anyone to adjust the rules to read we shouldn't stop the JTF from conquering the Sioux because Grau has helped me in this way or that (just an example).
                                Now Pseudo seems to be more dedicated than any other late entries to the Sioux or Chinese, heck even more dedicated than the original chinese, who if memory serves didn't even write a post. We were demanding of Nappy, Cap was demanding when he arrived, so it seems as if we have another new and interesting situation in this case. I for one will be interested to see how it all works out.
                                As for passwords, I'm pretty sure that they drop out if a player leaves before the last player takes their turn.
                                Damn Matt, that has to be a harsh reality, good for you for admiting it, I was afraid those posts were going to become a series of yes you did, no I did not

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