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  • It was on Villages only. Chuckles that is the most ridiculous accusation I've ever seen in my life. There isn't even a difference between messages. Get a clue. And it's real simple to reveal the map. Start a game, save it, activate the cheat mode, reveal the map, load the game. Not real hard to figure out. It wasn't as if I did this in game so don't try to make it sound that way. And it was loaded as a saved game, remember? You seem to conveniently leave minor details out. And if I loaded it as a scenario it would show it when you retire. If you weren't so ignorant about thisg ame you'd know that. Ming you're obviously going to be able to tell if an archer has an attack strength of 200 because when you go into a city screen and go to build it off to the right it shows it's stats 3/2/1.
    Maybe if you people actually learned all the nuiances of this game we could get down to the real stuff. And this whole riot factor thing is very simple. Basically you're getting me on a technicallity. It has nearly no effect on the game, all you're getting me on is that it's considered immoral. Face it, you keep looking for the really big bad cheater kind of stuff and all you're left with is a technicallity. And one more thing, you said that it was an honest game after our game Chuckles. Just thought I'd remind you of that.

    AH define obscure. On a river is obscure? When you find me with a chariot and kill a newly built city and I've explored everywhere except for that direction, that's your idea of obscure? And what weaknesses does my strategy have AH? Please tell me oh great one. My strategy accounts for everything. It's very strong on military, high production and trade, it takes control of the map. It can work as a transitional phase if I want to go into republic and then democracy. Where are the major weaknesses? It accounts for every single thing that can go wrong in a game. The only thing that can ever beat it is if someone gets a great start from huts. Also, my cities were defended. I had 3 pikemen on each city in our last game. You should try backing up your comments for once.

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    • <center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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      </font><font size=1>Originally posted by Eyes Of Night on 10-02-2000 08:44 PM</font>
      Ming you're obviously going to be able to tell if an archer has an attack strength of 200 because when you go into a city screen and go to build it off to the right it shows it's stats 3/2/1.
      Maybe if you people actually learned all the nuiances of this game we could get down to the real stuff.
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      Maybe if you understood the nuiances of jokes you would have understood my post

      As far as the real stuff goes... let me ask you some questions.
      If it really has "no" effect on the game, then why do it, and why NOT TELL THE PERSON YOU ARE PLAYING.
      And why do something that only helps your traditional playing style, and then NOT TELL THE PERSON YOU ARE PLAYING.

      Yeah, you are getting nailed on the moral stuff, because you are just cheating. Your earlier excuse for doing it was to avoid a lot of the tedious city crap... Talk about crap...
      And then your classic defense of your actions... other people do it...

      HA HA HA HA! I get better excuses and defenses from my 12 year old.

      You admit you do it, and then claim it's ok. What a joke.

      The sad part is, you sound like you believe your comments...

      So instead of saying people don't understand the nuiances of the game, and making lame excuses, why don't you just answer some of the simple questions... something you have avoided doing.
      Keep on Civin'
      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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        </font><font size=1>Originally posted by Eyes Of Night on 10-02-2000 08:44 PM</font>

        Basically you're getting me on a technicallity.


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        ROTFLMAO - this is quote of the month material

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        I've explored everywhere except for that direction


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        By 3500BC? Your horsemen must be on steriods

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        My strategy accounts for everything.


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        Obviously, it even improves the rule.txt

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        I had 3 pikemen on each city in our last game. You should try backing up your comments for once.


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        Are you out of your mind? We have the saves EYES! We know what you had and what you didn't. LOL!




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        • <center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
          <img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
          </font><font size=1>Originally posted by Eyes Of Night on 09-27-2000 08:50 PM</font>

          Right now in the fourth game I have 51 cities and 74 units to his 6 cities and 9 units.


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          Eyes, this is from the opening post of this thread. So, could you explain how you had 3 pike in every city?
          LOL, it just keeps getting better


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          • I think what it really comes down to is that I just don't care anymore. I need to get a life. I'm arguing over a game that only a handful of people play or have ever heard of it. 9 years I've wasted playing this. I feel like such a computer geek. So then I have to ask myself something. If I enjoy arguing about the game more than I do playing the game what am I really on here for? I can't believe I got suckered again into wasting another 2 days posting on this. I'm addicted more to the forum than I am the game. It's not healthy. Why do I care what people say on the computer? I get up and I leave the computer and I don't think about it yet somehow I come back here every time. My addiction is rooted deeply in my subconscious to the point that I don't even know when I'm thinking about this game. I guess that comes when you do something for 9 years straight. But is this healthy? How can enjoying an imaginary life be healthy? I used to think that this had no effect on me, that I could keep my real life separate from my computer life. I hate myself for being so weak. I can't believe I allowed myself to become so infatuated with a piece of hardware. I mourn for the time I wasted on here clicking and typing away for nothing. For no other purpose than to assauge an addiction I wasn't even aware of. I even created a false personality on here. Someone who loved to argue and would rather make enemies than friends. An egotistical brat who picked fights with everyone he found. And somehow I enjoyed this. I enjoyed the feeling of hate and contempt I had for other players on here. I loved it and couldn't get enough of it, it became an addiction that I nourished with a growing hatred for everything around me. Every day, every hour I would check on the forums to see what was going on, to see where I could start trouble next. For years I've gone on like this, and up until now it didn't bother me. But now that I'm in college and I'm tasting some of the better experiences of life I recognize what the computer really is to me. No matter how much I hate to admit it it has become a part of my life and it's changed me. I never used to swear until I came on here. But as I began to post more and more I became more and more bitter in my posts, adopting an alter ego. I fear it may have even carried over into my real life for I now swear far more than I used to. Perhaps this is just a part of being young or perhaps my two personalities are beginning to combine. The outcome can't be good and the psychological effects of such a transition are perhaps only in their early stages. I know for sure that I still hold a part of me that is still the real me. What scares me though is that I've made a habit of using real life details in my posts in conjunction with my alter personality. I can't allow this to continue. I must draw a line between the imaginary and the real or I may be irreversibly changed for the worse. You were right AH, I played you knowing the outcome would be a posting on cheating. I played you like a piece on my chess board like I have so many others. And from it I derived great amusement and enjoyment as I relished in the pure disgust and hatred that I had for everyone else and that they had for me. AH you are the last in a long line of pawns that have been nothing more than entertainment for me. A name that I can manipulate to do what I want, nothing more. I can't allow this to continue, I can't allow my false personality to combine with my real one. I feel nothing but remorse for what I have become, and even more so that I enjoyed it. This is perhaps the first post that I have made using my real personality. Only one person has ever really talked to the real me, and that is kaak. I see now that I have only one solution to my predicament and that is to cut off all contact completely. The only contact I will have with anyone is through kaak on ICQ with a new ICQ number only he will have. I have already deleted the zone and Mplayer along with all other programs that might have once harbored my alter personality. I know I should delete ICQ, but I don't want to break off contact with kaak. I don't think I will even play tribe games anymore for it only opens up old scars. I will have to think about it though. If I do it will be to play only and I will have absolutely no contact or conversation with the opponent. I'm sorry that I have been able to cause so much hatred in a simple computer game. And I'm even sorrier that I enjoyed it and made it apart of my life.

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            • oh man did i ever open up an apolyton can of whoop ass!

              but i might as well put in my honest opion on the subject. i dont really consider what eyes did with his rules.txt cheating, imoral, selffish, self gratifing, and taking advantage of another player yes. but i think cheating is going a little bit to far. every player in that game gets the same advantage, and eyes is telling the truth for once when he says that he is not the only one on gameleague that does this. in fact i would have to say a majority of the people on gameleague play this way. i myself used to have a modified rules.txt. i quit using it about 4-5 months ago beacause of the very reason that i thought it was unfair, and i modified it for one reason and one reason only. so i wouldnt have as much disorder and i would be able to build more cities without them going into disorder. this is the exact same reason why anyone would do it. i dont see why eyes has to make a big deal of things and try to beat around the bush so much. just fess up to what you do and it makes things alot easier on yourself. really, knowing about this comes in with experience ive been playing on gameleague for almost two years, and if you know about rules.txt it makes you a better player beacuse you will be able to handle the changes that each host has made to it. one thing that i never thought about, or was mentioned by any gameleagueer that i have ever played was that they have changed there rules.txt. i can tell when i play someone if they have modified it, this is one reason why i let other people host, that and my modem will lag them . also, with this experience i have gained the tricks of the trade and developed a few myself. when i say this i am not talking about cheating in any way shape or form. i dont beleive anyone right now on gameleague cheats. if they do they are smart about it and wont be caught at all. it is very hard to catch a good cheater at this game. i know from experience beacause i used to have a hack program. when i found it i thought it was the best thing to hit online gaming. but in the end i relized that the people i play dont even have a chance at beating me, i like to have a challenge not a pushover. this is the whole reason why i quit cheating in the first place. i didnt cheat for more than a couple of weeks before i relized this. i will come clean and say that i have never cheated in a gameleague game,<<NEVER but i will admit to cheating in one of the first tribe game i had ever played. this is when i first found the hack and relized i would be unstoppable. its kinda like the feeling of having nukes when no one else has them but like i siad ealier i no longer cheat, and havent cheated in a game of civ for well over a year. ask anyone that knows me and they will tell you that i am a fair and honest player. but let me get back on the subject. it is nearly impossible to catch a good cheat. if they do it right you will have no evidence against them and no possible way to prove it. they only way you might be able to tell if they are cheating is if during your turn you get a bit of lag that comes and goes. this is due to the hack reading all of the numbers in that game. it takes a few turns for the hack to log onto the number so you will have lag for a few turns during your turn. an unusally long turn in the begging of a game, followed by a long but shorter one, followed by another long but even shorter and then a normal turn could mean that they are loading a cheat program. oh ming did you say something earlier about being able to prove if someone is cheating before you bring it to the forum good luck to all that try
              i wont ever bring up anything that i dont belive is true. i have never played 95% of you but i look forward
              to playing some of you some day. i am a completely differnt player than eyes with a completely differnt style of play. i hope i made it clear that i dont cheat anymore so no one gets the wrong idea. cheating is morally wrong, but to each his own.

              Super Sayen Moker
              Leader of the Sayen Tribe

              Join the tribes Apolyton!!!
              Im here to play civ. Screw all of this political BS. Give me a game of civ with good players, that are more than just robots, and im having fun. I bet everyone else is too. Who cares who wins or loses? Its better to make friends than make enemies. Who knows you might run into a very important person on here.

              Oh yeah EyesOfNight is the most pathetic person i have ever ment in my life.

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              • LOL, hey Eyes, I don't I have ever seen someone self destruct quite as completely or as ridiculously as you have, here on your own thread. Take a bow:

                http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame47.html

                Even Imran in his hilarious heyday couldn't beat himself into submission the way you have

                Oops! Just saw Eyes long post - don't be so hard on yourself, although its self deluding to say this is the real me (the good guy) and this is the false me (the bad guy). They are both you. Deal with it, move on my friend

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                <font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Alexander's Horse (edited October 02, 2000).]</font>

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                • Cripes. Eyes has developed a dose of the EvCs. Damn you, SuperSneak, and your ubiquitous Confessional!

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                  • So, is Eyes Kaak?
                    LOL

                    We all create our online personalties and I believe the forum is really an extension for 'Diplomacy' and psycholgical tactics in the games we play.

                    I'm happy with someone playing out the role of an Eyes but when it comes to cheating we step into real world stuff - ethics and morals.

                    Eyes, you could have enjoyed being EoN, the evil villain, if you had not strayed from a level playing field. I guess this is what you are saying; and now that you are all growed up you want to behave like an adult and be forgiven (again) .... and then next American autumn (fall) it'll happen again.....

                    I'd really like to know the story of Kaak and whether he has any confessions... I think markus said that Kaak beat him in quite a few duels... I wonder if they were on a level playing field.. ??

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                    • How predictable - a pity post. LOL, I ain't buying it. Didn't buy it last year; ain't buying it this year. Maybe if he was 12 years old, but he's an adult; he ought to know better by now.

                      It's time to GROW UP!!! Sheesh, I've never seen a more childish 19 year old.

                      (Damn, Horse, you ripped him to shreds; you going to feel bad when he shoots himself?)

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                      • The trouble with cheating is that it robs players of their enthusiasm to play and make everyone suspicious of each other. That's the worst part.

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                        • <center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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                          </font><font size=1>Originally posted by Eyes Of Night on 10-02-2000 11:53 AM</font>
                          A higher riot factor is optimal for duel play because there's only two people which means lots of cities. I get really annoyed with the tedious stuff.
                          <font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Eyes Of Night (edited October 02, 2000).]</font>
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                          Why is a higher riot factor optimal for duel play...
                          Just because it means lots of cities doesn't make it "optimal" for duels.

                          You should have stated that a higher riot factor is optimal for the style of play you use in duels.

                          And as far as being tedious... HUH! That's a part of civ. If you just want a war game without all that "tedious" stuff (like running a civ), why not play any of the other less tedious war games...

                          But either way, modifiying the rules file and not telling your opponent is just wrong! You say it didn't make a difference... but come on, you had knowledge your opponent didn't... and the fact that the change just happens to help your playing style...
                          Keep on Civin'
                          RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                          • Okay...this is getting rediculous. An outline of kaak's thoughts follows....

                            I. I am not Eyes of Night.
                            A. We are in the same tribe, we play at the same time.
                            B. Completely different personalities. I do not attempt to anger people.
                            II. I do not play with a modified rules.txt. I think the disorder is a good thing, and i am better at handling it than most.

                            III. HOW THE HELL are you going to incinuate that i cheat?!?!? i am about to get mad.

                            IV. I think it is sad that none of you can respect the kind of self awareness and vision it took for eyes to see what was going on and make a change to correct it. If only the rest of us were so fortunate =)

                            iadkins: watch where you tread.


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                            To fail to try is the only true failure...
                            "Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)

                            "I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."

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                            • just to clarify.

                              Moker is WRONG. I do not have the same modifications. I HAVE A STANDARD RULES.TXT file, with NO CHANGES.
                              "Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)

                              "I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."

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                                </font><font size=1>Originally posted by Spider on 10-02-2000 11:55 PM</font>

                                (Damn, Horse, you ripped him to shreds; you going to feel bad when he shoots himself?)
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                                I don't think I had much to do with it, most of the damage was self inflicted. As the chat and icq log above shows, I had no intention of starting a thread about what happened in my games with Eyes. Its not that important to me - the trouble is he gave off scent and the hounds were unleashed, WOOF, WOOF

                                And I played him 3 days in a row so its not like I dislike him - I dont play with people whose company I'm not enjoying. Eyes is alright by me, he's not bad company for a few hours I'd play him again But I would host and he would have to play on my favorite settings




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