The way of the apolyton brat

[suas333]

Eyes, is your rules.txt really changed like this? Do you admit to it? Thats pretty unfair.

[suas333]

I just checked the rankings and i don't see you on there anymore eyes. Whats the reason this time, did you remove yourself again?

[Rasputin]

AH I want to see that saved game.!!! You have never answered whether you opened it in 2X2X or just single .. Thqat makes a big differnce, before people continue to point fingure at EoN this needs to be clarified

[Eyes Of Night]

My riot factor is set a little higher. It had no effect in the game with AH because he hosted basically the entire time. So what exactly does riot factor do? Basically it keeps me from having to click on my cities 20 times a turn. I figure I save an hour between me and my opponent clicking. What does this do to gameplay? Instead of having 65+ cities by 1000BC, I'll hvae probably more like 55+. Won't this effect how fast I get techs and how much money I make? No, not really. Even with the riot factor on I get leadership around 1000BC, with riot factor turned off I get it around 1300BC. As you can see it doesn't make a huge difference in my game. I still get 3 turn techs with tons of money. In a duel where we both have lots of cities it's a huge time saver. Obviously it has no effect really on my gameplay if I beat AH with him hosting and tons of others.

[Eyes Of Night]

Oh, and just to clarify what riot factor is...riot factor makes your cities get unhappy a little bit earlier with the more cities you get. Easily countered by building pikemen and getting HG like I did against AH. So if I have 20 cities and they're all getting made at size 4, the next couple of cities I build will make a few of my older cities get mad at size 3. Doesn't do a whole hell of alot.

[Eyes Of Night]

And to answer your question Suas I retired from gameleague. I was getting tired of it. And one more thing, are you loading the save that you have which is the on where I lost the turn? Because on that one the AI has moved a pikeman out of each of my cities. Not only that, it was 28 out of thet 65 I counted that went into disorder. I put mine all the way down to 14, which is either hte original one or a little lower. Out of that 28 7 would have gone into disorder because they had grown 1 city size. So that leaves 21 to attribute to the riot factor. Out of that 21 only 1 required more than 1 entertainer. We're not talking earth shattering effects here. What did this leave me at once I got my cities under order? 60 gold and 4 techs turns. I could probably make that 80 gold and 3 tech turns if I decided to fine tune my cities. Like I said, it doesn't have a whole lot of effect.
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[iadkins]

OK, just opened this save as Eyes and about half cities went into disorder. It automatically opened as a saved 2x2x game, so no worries there Raz.
For me to bring those cities into order it required most cities to lose one square to an entertainer without changing tax rates. Hence reduced production... reduced science etc... The AI had not moved any units in this save.

From this and Eye's above posts it appears to me that Eyes has admitted to and is cheating. If AH had known the riot factor had changed he could have expanded more quickly!
I'd be interested in Ming's thoughts on this???
And is Kaak a cheat too?
This is definitely cheating

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[iadkins]

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.....it was 28 out of thet 65 I counted that went into disorder. I put mine all the way down to 14, which is either hte original one or a little lower. Out of that 28 7 would have gone into disorder because they had grown 1 city size. So that leaves 21 to attribute to the riot factor. Out of that 21 only 1 required more than 1 entertainer. We're not talking earth shattering effects here...... &lt;font size=1 face=Arial color=444444&gt;[This message has been edited by Eyes Of Night (edited October 02, 2000).]&lt;/font&gt;
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Well, I just opened it up on the home network now and looked at Eye's civ BEFORE the turn..... 28 cities are RED! DIS-ORDER before pop growth.
So 28 entertainers are needed to cheer up the unhappy evil bastards under the leadership of Lies of the Night.... 28 production squares lost.... OR, 28 more units required to maintain order in those cities!

When you track that back thru the turns of the game and add all the turns that are yet to come this adds up to a considerable advantage!!!!

Under despotism the riot factor kicks in after you build 6 cities at Deity level (King level?) - this is when the advantage started, way back then in the game...... He's under Monarchy now in 950BC with 51 cities.... Do the maths....


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[Mercantile]

Has Apolyton been duped by cetain players
You know what, i have hardly played online with this game, and this is my first game forum as well, but WTF????? Please anyone, i don't care how many, if you are serious about playing and your not going to cheat or use tricks, then please icq me @ 91586997

All of you cheaters out there, you all must suffer from small penis syndrome

Oh and i am no superstar at this game. I often mismanage any great start into defeat

[species8474]

what is this riot factor? can you edit your game so your cities wont revolt so quickly?

[finbar]

Yes. You can edit your rules.txt to achieve anything you want. Riot factor, basically, is the number of cities you can build (under a system of Government) before the next city built contains an unhappy citizen.

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[Alexander's Horse]

LOL, Eyes is SPRUNG SPRUNG SPRUNG!!!!!

And I didn't "host" for most of the game Eyes, you know that.

Will Gameleague allow to keep all those points he has accumulated????? The number 1 player??????

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[Carolus Rex]

I guess we know now why you retired voluntarily from Game League. Knowing this was coming out, you would have been kicked out anyway. Better then to do it in a "clean" way? Withdrawing because the game is "getting old" and "nobody can beat me anyway"...

'tis a sad ending to our game.

Carolus

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[Eyes Of Night]

Actually AH I had 9 cities when you started hosting. By the time I started hosting again I had 56 or more cities. I have the chat dialogue and can prove it. we played probably 4 turns at most where the riot factor came into play. Don't try to deny it because it's posted in the ICQ and civ chat dialogue. YOu hosted 90% of this game and virtually any advantage I got from riot factor came in those last 9 cities I built which would have left me at 56 which is still 10 times as many as you had. Nice try. Fact of the matter is you had 6 cities the entire game and got boxed in, had nothing to do with the riot factor. YOu can blame it on everything you want.

What did this leave me at once I got my cities under order? 60 gold and 4 techs turns. I could probably make that 80 gold and 3 tech turns if I decided to fine tune my cities. Like I said, it doesn't have a whole lot of effect.
Did that just go in one ear and out the other? Check it yourself, my science wasn't affected and my tax probably lost maybe 10 gold a turn at the very very most. NOt to mention the fact that AH hosted the entire part of the game where the riot factor came into play, it's quite provable by the ICQ and civchat dialogue.

"When you track that back thru the turns of the game and add all the turns that are yet to come this adds up to a considerable advantage!!!!"

Again, how many times do I have to say it? The riot factor wasn't in play at this point!!!


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[Carolus Rex]

If the riot factor is not important, then why modify the rules text? Why denying others to host and avoid playing by the original rules text? If riot factor is no big deal it shouldn't matter to you.

Maybe you rightfully are number one in the League, maybe all those wins were clean. But how can you deny that this particular game was biased in your favour?

Carolus

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