AI headstart succession game?

[DaveV]

SG2 - I suggest we stick with the 20/15/10 turn interval. Ten turns is proving to be a long time on the other giga map game; maybe we could shorten it to 5 turns at some point. Use your judgement.

[Julius Brenzaida]

quote: Originally posted by DaveV on 01-17-2001 10:43 AM SG2 John-SJ kcbob Julius? DaveV

Yes, count me on it for this one.

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

[Julius Brenzaida]

quote: Originally posted by DaveV on 01-18-2001 10:14 PM Ten turns is proving to be a long time on the other giga map game

Yes, indeed. But the OCC one took less than one week. Got to figure why !

[DaveV]

quote: Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida on 01-19-2001 04:33 AM Yes, indeed. But the OCC one took less than one week. Got to figure why !

The problem isn't so much the number of cities (which is admittedly excessive ), but the huge number of units which must be moved. I'm seriously considering disbanding some of the units who are far from the front lines...

[kcbob]

I think it's pretty obvious that turn-around time, i.e., dedication to getting your turn played and the game turned over to the next in line, is the biggest slowdown. But then, sometimes, it can't be helped. It's just when it stretches into weeks per turn that's a drag.

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Frodo lives!

[Scouse Gits]

This discussion about turns is now rather academic!!

Julius you will be pleased to know we beat the OCC record for playing time ......


4000BC - We have started with 891 gold! Chariot from hut
3950BC - Warrior Code from hut! ; Finchley founded on the four special site.
3900BC - 1st research goal is Alphabet; Grantham founded
3750BC - Alphabet from hut
3700BC - Researching CB
3650BC - 50g hut : Barracks built at Finchley.
3600BC - Mongols arrive! (receptive) Look a SPY!! Peace with the Very Nice Mongols who refused the offer of an alliance. Legion from hut. Mongols are most powerful civ - we are weakest, with an atrocious reputation. Mongols are in Fundy.
3550BC - Another three spies spotted.
3500BC - Mongols bribe Grantham - 292g lost! They are now engraged war!
3450BC - Mongols sabotage barracks
3400BC - Another spy entered Finchley - production sabotaged!
3350BC - Ceremonial Burial discovered! Caught a glimpse of a submarine! Have put in Writing (for diplo) as next research!
3300BC - Mongol horsemen destroy Finchley. Long video/GAME OVER!!!!!!!!

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SG(2)

[John-SJ]

quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 01-18-2001 06:12 PM The bad guys: the rest of the central column, they don't like you much and have each been given some totally unfair advantage. You will, I hope, find the Mongols and French particularly challenging militaristically.

Yeah, I'd say the Mongols were fairly challenging!

John-SJ

[kcbob]

Yikes! It musta been the starting gold. Them Mongrols can smell it a mile away!

Take two?

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Frodo lives!

[Julius Brenzaida]

Maybe we can try the "thing" but at Warlord.

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

[Scouse Gits]

The Return … Hollywood wanted an epic, not five minutes of slaughter.

Margaret Thatcher, Tory Leader, had a nightmare one cold evening in 4000BC. She dreamt about the log posted above. What impossible odds! But great leaders overcome such minor obstacles. With the words of the soothsayer kcbob ringing in her ears about "Take two?" she set about her business.

Her dream had pointed to the importance of acquiring Writing quickly. The opportunity of having diplomats to bribe a few advanced units seemed crucial. There was some gold in the Treasury, but was there enough time to avoid the annihilation promised in her sleep?

The first hut yielded a chariot, just like the dream. Then she founded her capital at Finchley. [Loc (38, 104) 27] The next hut had the scrolls of Alphabet - one step nearer the goal. The third hut came into view in the exact location given in the nightmare. The night before entering it she prayed to the Gods of Apolyton. As a child her father had recounted the sagas and myths of mighty Apolyton warriors who found the scrolls of Mobile Warfare in such remote villages. Would she be so lucky? A red horseman would spell an end faster than the log.

The following morning a settler returned with news of new wisdom! "Tell me you have the scrolls of Writing!" she asked desperately. The settler's eyes turned towards the ground as he mumbled "Map Making"

"I think we have just lost a great empire we never had" she said turning away in the vague direction of Finchley. Attempting to console his leader he replied "We could always build a boat and get out of here!"

Watching Finchley fade into the horizon Margaret paced the bridge of Trireme One. On board was the non settler and non chariot. The brave warriors left behind would have to hold the city for as long as possible. Though the passengers were non, the boat was supported. When the city fell all would be lost if on board. The course set was north, as the enemy appeared to be coming from the other direction. In her dream a submarine had also appeared but with any luck that would only arrive near the city after they had fled. The objective was to find some islands away from that continent. Alas, Triremes must hug the coast, and that seemed mostly swamp. One beach hut surrendered its secret of Horseback Riding. For weeks they sailed in search of an end to the Mongol Continent. News had reached them that the spies now surrounded Finchley. The Mongol "heavies" would not be far behind. It was time to land and found a new city. A small patch of grassland offered some hope. There was a whale offshore with peat nearby. It was still the same continent but on the north-western cape. Finchley Road was built and the ship re-homed. Immediately afterwards Finchley was destroyed.

The chariot and the boat went scouting, and by good luck were joined by a nomad. Grantham was founded on swamp, but with peat and a whale at hand.

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It is now 3000BC and I will send the game to John and a copy to everyone. Not the best position to pass on - but this time there is a chance for another player!

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SG(2)

[Julius Brenzaida]

Nice job of surviving. But do you really think we stand a chance ?

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

[Scouse Gits]

I wrought better thab I knew! SPIES! there shouldn't be any friggin' spies!!!! The Mongols were replete with vet Horsemen, but ....

I must revisit this scenario - it looks as if a wheel has fallen off!

Dare I show my face again - will SG2 ever speak to me again???



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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

[Scouse Gits]

Oh those spies! why didn't you say?

There are only 4 of them (a non-renewable resource) - and I must confess to amazement that the 'stupid' AI had them up-front in the exploration stakes - it's your own fault for trying to talk to the AI - you were warned that they didn't like you much!
Players of your calibre should be able to cope (should I mention that there is a rather nice tenable choke point to the South of your current position?)

Seriously guys, would you like me to tone down the opposition? - could do it on Sunday ...

Good civin'

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

[John-SJ]

The year is 3000 bc (hmmm, wonder how we know that?) and our still timy Torey civilization is just beginning to recover from it's paniced flight following our great leader's nightmare. We have two cities now both with a population of one, but we have hope that our distance from the "Mongol Hordes" will give us a chance to grow before we meet again.

Here then, is a short ( ) history of the Tory tribe:

2950 - Exploring on land and sea.
2900 - Barb Horsemen appear near Grantham.
2850 - Discovered Writing. Research Warrior Code or Pottery? It's a violent world, WC!
2800 - Barbs heading for Grantham. Must head them off with our valuable Chariot if Grantham is to survive. Grantham trains warrior.
2750 - Chariot destroyed by barbs.
2700 - Mongol spy subverted Finchley Road
2650 - Barbs attack Grantham, our only city, no harm to defending warrior (since it's now our only city)
2600 - More barbs spotted
2550 - Message from Mongols, we have decided to rid the world of your civ. (UH-OH!) On the same turn a Mongol spy subverted Grantham. Game over, again...

I think that these spies are just too good! Also, somewhere around 2650 it was announced that the "Golden Age of Philosophy" had begun with the Aztecs. WOW! Talk about advanced!

I think that we need to have a toned down opposition if this game is to work, or a much more isolated starting position. What about you all?

John-SJ

[kcbob]

Take three???

Or, in the immortal words of Bill Murray in What About Bob?... baby steps, baby steps.

I don't know if I even want to have my turn. My psyche is beat up enough as it is. Oh, what the heck. But I agree that we might want to tone this down a bit. Whose idea was this, anyway?

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Frodo lives!