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  • Originally posted by The ANZAC
    CEC councilmen are voted on by the whole community. They in turn appoint front commanders, and the front commanders select someone else to be marshal. At least this is how I see it. I think we have the general idea down though
    Yep this is what I agree with. And this is the Threead I would prefer to discuss overhauling the Stavka and Establishing the CEC or did I miss something above?
    *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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    • Will the marshal still be able to sack commanders?
      Sea Kings TOT

      Sors salutis/ et virtutis/ michi nunc contraria,/ est affectus/ et defectus/ semper in angaria./
      Hac in hora/ sine mora/ corde pulsem tangite;/ quod per sortem/ sternit fortem,/ mecum omnes plangite!

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      • Yes, he can sack commanders. And if the Commanders want to get together and sack him then can as well. At least thats my opinion. (Nothing humble about it Greenyov! )
        *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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        • Commander 1: I ask today for a vote on the subject of dismissing our current rodina!

          Commander 2: I vote yay!

          Commanders present: Yay!

          Commander 1: With my last vote, the fate of the current Marshal shall be decided!

          (All commanders present are sacked)
          The one and only panda of the Red Army.
          Xenozodskyovitchkov, retired Commander of the 1st Ukrainian Front.
          Recipient of the Medal for Accomplishment in IRC Chat

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          • Originally posted by Xenozod
            Commander 1: I ask today for a vote on the subject of dismissing our current rodina!

            Commander 2: I vote yay!

            Commanders present: Yay!

            Commander 1: With my last vote, the fate of the current Marshal shall be decided!

            (All commanders present are sacked)
            I just want you to know it is very EASY to send a Red Army Soldier to the Gulag. No political repercussions at all..............
            *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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            • There will be no "sacking " of present Front Commanders.

              This is just a proposal to clearly define Civilian and military authority and also get some more interested folks involved in a productive way.

              How are we going to approve this, Should we have a vote ?
              *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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              • I my opinion, the entire point of a Democracy game is participation. The creation of the CEC will allow more people to get involved. I myself was hesitant to run for a position before, but with the CEC's creation impending, I now hope to have the chance to be on it. The more people involved in this game, the better.
                The one and only panda of the Red Army.
                Xenozodskyovitchkov, retired Commander of the 1st Ukrainian Front.
                Recipient of the Medal for Accomplishment in IRC Chat

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                • OK tomorrow Im going to try to put down in one post what the changes to Stavka would be and what the new CEC or POLITBURO would be. (Could we just call it the Politburo Anzac?)

                  So in the next 12 hours or so if you have an idea about what the jobs in the new politburo/CEC should be post then here.

                  My ideas thus far:
                  Armaments Minister
                  Economic Minister
                  Propoganda Minister
                  (All the above existing)
                  NKVD or KGB
                  Political Officer
                  General Secratary (only has one vote more of an organizer than a supreme dictator.)

                  Thats six we should have one more so no ties.

                  Any ideas?

                  If we dont get enough interest we cap it at 5.

                  Any other comments or ideas will be welcome. Im going to start typing in about 10 hours or so.
                  *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                  • What purpose would these new positions serve? So far I like the proposed reforms, but this seems like a fifth weel.
                    Sea Kings TOT

                    Sors salutis/ et virtutis/ michi nunc contraria,/ est affectus/ et defectus/ semper in angaria./
                    Hac in hora/ sine mora/ corde pulsem tangite;/ quod per sortem/ sternit fortem,/ mecum omnes plangite!

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                    • I like Politburo :d:

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                      • Originally posted by EZRhino
                        What purpose would these new positions serve? So far I like the proposed reforms, but this seems like a fifth weel.
                        To provide control over the civilian portions of the game, like the Urals build up, what tech we should research, what the taxes should be, where the convoys (trade units) go., etc.

                        Plus the big thing in my mind is it gives additional people a chance to contribute. Thats the most important reason. This is a Democracy Game after all.
                        *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                        • Well, sure we can call it the Politburo. However, limiting it to five or six, well, seems like nto a lot. What about deputy ministers? or just common citizens? They should have a place on here, as this would sort of be the argument committee in a way Just my 2 cents.
                          Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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                          • Originally posted by The ANZAC
                            CEC councilmen are voted on by the whole community. They in turn appoint front commanders, and the front commanders select someone else to be marshal. At least this is how I see it. I think we have the general idea down though

                            WHAT???

                            You have the front commanders selecting the marshal? No, no no! It should be the marshal selecting the front commanders. The commanders should not be playing at politics, they should be planning strategy, and fighting battles! Let the Marshal select the fron commanders. And the CEC or POLITBURO, whichever we decide to call it, select the marshal.

                            As for the politburo, why not keep it at 5? it could be called the defense council council, with everyone having a vote in the wider politburo (which is basically just the entire Red Front Community)

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                            • Originally posted by The ANZAC
                              Well, sure we can call it the Politburo. However, limiting it to five or six, well, seems like nto a lot. What about deputy ministers? or just common citizens? They should have a place on here, as this would sort of be the argument committee in a way Just my 2 cents.
                              Yep great idea keep them comming Anzac!

                              We could have 5 to 7 positions, and then everyone else could be on a "Central Committee", just like the Soviet Union.

                              And it could become the forum for everyone to contribute and or b1tch or whatever.

                              This is good if someone has a "position" they probably feel they should contribute more. Good Good Good, this is shaping up.
                              *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                              • Here is one way we could do this:

                                Keep all of the positions mentioned by the Marshal except for Political Officer, so there will be no ties.

                                Each position be given deputy officers that can be delegated certain matters. This would allow even more people to participate.

                                This is just a suggestion, of course.
                                The one and only panda of the Red Army.
                                Xenozodskyovitchkov, retired Commander of the 1st Ukrainian Front.
                                Recipient of the Medal for Accomplishment in IRC Chat

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