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  • #91
    Ha Ha

    The other guy speaks.

    My god is Lenin and the glory of the worker!

    And in that respect my powers ARE GODLIKE!

    And I am the Rodina!

    Its about time you accept that comrade!
    *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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    • #92
      Yes, you rest upon the shoulders of giants, you took the front commanders I appointed and took the credit for their victories, took the plans I had laid out at the begining and call them your own. Yes, you are the Rodina

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      • #94
        Originally posted by Shaka Naldur
        so, who's in the Stavka?
        In my opinion the only person in Stavka is STYOM.
        *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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        • #95
          Originally posted by conmcb25 In my opinion the only person in Stavka is STYOM.
          How come? I thought I was on STAVKA
          Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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          • #96
            Originally posted by The ANZAC


            How come? I thought I was on STAVKA
            My opinion is front commanders should not be on Stavka.

            It gets more people involved and I believe it should be a separate body that keeps the Marshall in check and used to be a resource on how the war should be conducted.

            Now if you guys dont like that thats fine.

            If you prefer the council of Generals thats OK too.

            But then the Marshall should have the ability to sack them at will. And you still then need a POLITICAL body that the Marshall answers too!

            Right now we have a half a$$ organization that is a little of both, serves neither purpose, and doesn't do anything to get more people involved.

            Ive got two guys RIGHT NOW who want to do something and I dont have anything for them.

            But you Colwyn and Shaka are doing double duty.

            Just doesn't make sense to me.

            And Im speaking as me not the Marshall. And I would like you guys to keep an open mind because we are paving the way for the future here!
            Last edited by conmcb25; May 11, 2003, 18:13.
            *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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            • #97
              Sure, makes sense, but then how do front commanders have any input? Will a civilian council (ie the new STAVKA) be making military decisions that bind the front commanders?
              Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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              • #98
                Originally posted by The ANZAC
                Sure, makes sense, but then how do front commanders have any input? Will a civilian council (ie the new STAVKA) be making military decisions that bind the front commanders?
                In strategic Terms I guess the answer would be yes.

                On Operational and Tactical terms the answer would be no.

                At least that would be MHO.

                Front Commanders would have input to the Marshall who is obligated to keep the Stavka or what ever you want to call it happy.
                *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                • #99
                  but you can't just dismiss the current STAVKA which is composed of myself, H Tower, Colwyn, Six Thousand Year Old Man, Shaka Naldur. or has it been already?
                  Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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                  • Originally posted by The ANZAC
                    but you can't just dismiss the current STAVKA which is composed of myself, H Tower, Colwyn, Six Thousand Year Old Man, Shaka Naldur. or has it been already?
                    Is that the current Stavka?

                    The Marshall is not part of Stavka. So when H fleeted up to Marshall he theoretically was no longer on Stavka. Does he go back when he steps down and a seat remains open?

                    See what I mean its a tad bit screwy right now. And from what I have seen STAVKA hasn't done much up to this point so changing it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

                    Im just trying to get something that makes sense and gets more people involved. Like I said right now 2 more guys want to get involved, would you like to give up your front and just be STAVKA? Probably not.

                    See what I mean.?
                    *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                    • true, that's why I think there should be a military council of all front commanders PLUS the marshall, and then a STAVKA composed of ministers/asst ministers/civilians. Is that workable? 2 different councils?
                      Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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                      • Why not the one council of "war" headed by the Marshall is accountable to the civilian political council.

                        I would buy that.

                        And we would have to figure out a way where the councils could clean house.

                        If a stavka rep is screwing up then the rest can vote him out.

                        And we would have to figure how someone gewts on the councils.

                        Vote or appointment and by whom?
                        *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                        • I say we have STAVKA (military council of front commanders with marshal in charge. everyong has one vote, though marshal has final say. front commanders are appointed by CEC, but front commanders appoint the marshal and he stays as long as they wany)

                          and a CEC (Central Executive Committee of ministers/asst ministers/civilians with no head. Everyone has one vote, they are elected to a 1 year [in RF time ofcourse ] term and if there is enough popular support, elections can happen early or members removed.)

                          Does this proposal sound reasonable?
                          Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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                          • Yes, Im really beginning to like you despite the fact you are a secessionist!

                            This sounds reasonable. Gives more people input, and allows for rotation of personnel thru various positions.

                            The two current ministers would be on the CEC correct?

                            Are we missing anything?

                            Id like to hear from H on this one. (His exams are over this week)
                            *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                            • I would accept that proposal anzac

                              Like the 1yr terms!
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