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  • #62
    If the marshal "suggests" citizens for being in STAVKA, the organization becomes nothing more than a rubber stamp for the Marshal. We're here to watch over the marshal and what he does, doesn't it seem wrong to have the watchers in debt to the Marshal?

    Checks and Balances people!

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    • #64
      Originally posted by H Tower
      If the marshal "suggests" citizens for being in STAVKA, the organization becomes nothing more than a rubber stamp for the Marshal. We're here to watch over the marshal and what he does, doesn't it seem wrong to have the watchers in debt to the Marshal?

      Checks and Balances people!
      Wait a minute this is the Soviet Union! Of course I want my political hacks on the Stavka!

      Checks and Balances? That sounds awful reactionary to me comrade.

      When and how will we discuss in private?

      (Rubs his hands together as he smells a really nasty political infight.)
      *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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      • #65
        And I want to test out my political hacks BEFORE I appoint them to Fronts or Minister positions.

        And you and I both know that the reigns of power for fronts and ministers is at my pleasure.

        I would however like them to be proven first!
        *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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        • #66
          Am I on STAVKA?

          And what does STAVKA stand for anyway?

          *hides ignorance*

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          • #67
            Originally posted by El Awrence
            Am I on STAVKA?
            The short answer is no, and as a minister I dont think you qualify but if you continue to support me as the Marshall I shall consider nominating you and bending the rules of course.

            Originally posted by El Awrence And what does STAVKA stand for anyway?

            *hides ignorance*
            They are the committee that makes sure we conduct the war properly. They have the power to remove me if I am not doing well with the war. So theoretically they are the five votes that determine "big picture" decisions.

            So how we handled Leningrad really IMHO should have been decided in committee by Stavka, because the decisions made affected several fronts and could have a major impact on the war.

            Thats my opinion anyway. Im not sure what the acronym STAVKA actually stands for .

            I guess I could look it up but Im helping my kid with homework right now.
            *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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            • #68
              The Marshal is responsible for the conduct of the war, STAVKA is responsible for the reliablity of the Marshal, so no, STAVKA was not responsible for the defense of Leningrad

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              • #69
                Originally posted by conmcb25
                That leaves a vacancy or vacancies on Stavka. (STYOM is out for right now)
                Why is STYOM out anyways? It is not a requirement to be a government minister or commander to be on STAVKA. Stop trying to alter STAVKA

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                • #70
                  Originally posted by H Tower


                  Why is STYOM out anyways? It is not a requirement to be a government minister or commander to be on STAVKA. Stop trying to alter STAVKA
                  Because he was too busy in R/L.

                  In your opinion you feel the Marshall makes decisions and the Stavka mearly votes on whether to retain the Marshall or not.

                  Is that correct.?

                  OK who changes the Stavka?

                  Can the Marshall sack Stavka members?

                  He can sack Front Commanders and they are one in the same except for you and me.

                  This is somewhat confusing?

                  What if the Stavka voted me out and I said I sack them all at the same time?

                  Maybe we need a better system.

                  One where Im in charge with all my political hacks in Stavka. Then we wouldn't have these problems.
                  *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                  • #71
                    There is only a max of 5 stavka reps (full stop)

                    They are assigned the roll of voting in/out a marshal thus 5 not 4 so we don't get a deadlock vote.

                    Stavka members are also able to act in the absence of the marshal (not that is happening) and help the game move along. They effectively become co-codinators of the game though H-tower overall is effectively stalin and has control over the NKVD (threads).

                    In any case the only way to get into stavka is if someone officialy resigns their post in this thread then we hold a poll to fill the possition. ie STYOM is still in I aint seen a resignation form.

                    As for removing someone from stavka well, that only happens if the person disappears from the game for say a month or does something really bad, H-tower has the final say in this.

                    The Marshal cannot have any official say on the Stavka, they were voted in before the war and cannot change.

                    Comrades lets forget this Stavka stuff its not likely that the stavka is going to vote out a marshal as they are hard to get in the first place , conb has been filling in for Htower whilst he is on leave and both of them have done a fantastic job.
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                    • #72
                      No sorry comrade

                      Originally posted by El Awrence
                      Am I on STAVKA?

                      And what does STAVKA stand for anyway?

                      *hides ignorance*
                      Some one will have to step down for the spot to be revoted on.

                      Stavka stands for the supreme army headquarters If I find any exact s.t.a.v.k.a words I'll edit the post.
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                      • #73
                        Wait a minute here Comrade Pavlov, right now I AM the Marshall. Therfore it is my responsibility. When and IF H Tower comes back then he will be in charge again.

                        I think that remains to be determined.

                        Once in power sometimes it is hard to leave. And once out it is sometimes hard to come back.

                        Ok in your case with me just subbing for H, AM I on Stavka? How can I not be if Im the Marshall? And if STYOM is staying that makes six and your 5 members theory is out the window. And he did ask for a replacement because he didn't have time. PM him if you need that clarified.

                        And if Im not on Stavka, then you can't fire me. I dont have to listen to you.

                        Sounds like a ripe environment for political intrigue.......

                        And look at my signature Comrade, right now I AM THE RODINA!




                        And I am seriously questioning your loyalty to the Marshall, ME. Dont forget Comrade I have the power to send Front Commanders to the Gulag. I would be very carefull if I were you!
                        Last edited by conmcb25; May 8, 2003, 22:10.
                        *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                        • #74
                          Thank you for the enlightening news, Colwyn.

                          *plots propaganda demise of some STAVKA member to step into*

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                          • #75


                            Ahhhh comrades... how do you know that I'm really busy in RL, and not gathering up a band of Georgian "bodyguards" so as to effect a permanent change to STAVKA on my return to Moscow?

                            Seriously, RL isn't quite as busy as it was - plus the new Poly server seems to be communicating better with my PC now. So if I'm needed on STAVKA, I'm around. If it makes more sense to appoint a general to that role, that's acceptable (I was an emergency fill-in on STAVKA in the first place).
                            "I'm a guy - I take everything seriously except other people's emotions"

                            "Never play cards with any man named 'Doc'. Never eat at any place called 'Mom's'. And never, ever...sleep with anyone whose troubles are worse than your own." - Nelson Algren
                            "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin (attr.)

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