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Thanks for the flowers, Microserf. I use time.nist.gov too. It and M$'s are the only ones I know, that would talk with my WinXP client, whereas I have a list of several hundred servers, that would talk with my Linux machine (of which I, of course, use only 3).Originally posted by Asher
That's funny, I don't have any problems updating from third party servers.
Ever heard the expression PEBKAC?
I update from time.nist.gov
Edit: Check this stuff out: http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/service/its.htmComment
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Why would I want to sound like Basil Brush?Originally posted by DrSpike
A little too dry for continentals.........you should have added a BOOM BOOOM at the end of the sentence.
One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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Just an image I have of you.Originally posted by Big Crunch
Why would I want to sound like Basil Brush?
@FP, nice try.Comment
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My next avatar:Attached FilesOne day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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Seeing as how painfully simple and open the protocol is (it's listed on the NIST website), whose fault is it that you use an older version?Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Thanks for the flowers, Microserf. I use time.nist.gov too. It and M$'s are the only ones I know, that would talk with my WinXP client, whereas I have a list of several hundred servers, that would talk with my Linux machine (of which I, of course, use only 3).
Jeez.
It basically listens on port 13, sends a formatted string upon request.
You could code your own client in 5 minutes for it...
You wanna explain to me why you need more than one timeserver, by the way?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Exactly, Asher.
Only a geek wants to have extra NTP servers on his list.
"Kids, don't listen to uncle Solver unless you want your parents to spank you." - SolverComment
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1 - time.nist.gov and time.microsoft.com are not compatible with the NTP protocol. You can neither use these services with Unix-type NTP servers/clients, nor can you use the hundreds of Unix-type NTP servers with Windows. It is, as always, a matter of the usual "embrace and extend". This time it went even without extension.Originally posted by Asher
Seeing as how painfully simple and open the protocol is (it's listed on the NIST website), whose fault is it that you use an older version?
Jeez.
It basically listens on port 13, sends a formatted string upon request.
You could code your own client in 5 minutes for it...
You wanna explain to me why you need more than one timeserver, by the way?
2 - the NTP port is 123/UDP. What you mean is the built-in system time service. It's different from NTP.
3 - yes I can, but what for? There are scores of clients available.
4 - Well, their addresses/IPs change from time to time. One would be sufficient indeed, but I can't be arsed to check this stuff more often than once a year.Comment
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I want my time back
CSPAComment
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How can you want something back, you havn't even been given yet in the first place
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I still don't know what you're talking about.Originally posted by Sir Ralph
1 - time.nist.gov and time.microsoft.com are not compatible with the NTP protocol. You can neither use these services with Unix-type NTP servers/clients, nor can you use the hundreds of Unix-type NTP servers with Windows. It is, as always, a matter of the usual "embrace and extend". This time it went even without extension.
The website for time.nist.gov says:
The NIST Internet Time Service (ITS) allows users to synchronize computer clocks via the Internet. The time information provided by the service is directly traceable to UTC(NIST). The service responds to time requests from any Internet client in several formats including the DAYTIME, TIME, and NTP protocols.
So if your NTP clients can't access it, the PEBKAC...
So why are you complaining?3 - yes I can, but what for? There are scores of clients available."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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I really don't have the time to explain to you, what a non-RFC compiliant data format can cause. Live with your ignorance.Originally posted by Asher
I still don't know what you're talking about.Comment
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I'll live with my ignorance and functioning NTP clients.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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And I should hope I don't have to remind you that RFCs aren't the be-all and end-all of anything, really. It's not like some organization like ANSI or IEEE or W3C doing them, it's just a bunch of people on their own time and initiative saying "we should have this work like so".
They're just as valid as any private company's implementation of something."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Well, my clients are functioning too.Originally posted by Asher
I'll live with my ignorance and functioning NTP clients.
Only that the Unix-style NTP servers don't work with WinXP, and the Gates-infested servers don't work with Un*x systems. So I can't use the NTP on my server (Linux) to correct the clock on the desktop PCs in my network (WinXP). It's really sad, that a realtive simple service format like NTP had to be screwed like Kerberos and so many others.
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