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  • #31
    Ditto what ming said.

    In SP we were all excellent game technicians. We knew how to "bend" the rules. Ming and I were in constant competition to beat each other. Without using cheats you could only accomplish things to a point. Using the cheats would allow our competitions to continue and new goals to be attained. Like max score, only reachable through cheating with food caravans. etc.

    When MP came out, the same challanges faced us. Our natural curiosity took over. There was no question that some of the things that we discovered were blatant cheats. Come on, the first time MWHC and I traded units to take advantage of the infinite move cheat, and using diplos in unison to march and army halfway across a continent past defensive positions to take out a city (in the same turn) was such a blatant cheat, it was actually funny. We NEEDED to know those things could be done so we could outlaw them. MP satisfied our need to look for things on a whole new level. (what new cheats were avail now that you had a partner).

    The Final product of all that is "RAH" rules. A standard that has enhanced MP by setting general guidelines of just what is or what isn't a cheat.

    RAH
    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
    RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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    • #32
      I see guys, so you have dealt with it and can settle down and enjoy a umm, 'friendly' game of Civ 2. You know, if you all weren't so smart you wouldn't have these problems. If I lived a thousand years I'd have never come up with half this stuff.

      Tell me, I was once playing hotseat against a fellow and was agast as he rush bought something, then switched the build to something more expensive and rush bought that! He said it made things cheaper, I said it wasn't right. One should not upset the foundations of the Civ universe...it was a cheat. He got defensive and said "everyone does it".

      Does everyone do that or is that also considered a cheat in your group?

      Sorry to get off the topic of Xin's excellent interview momentarily...
      Long time member @ Apolyton
      Civilization player since the dawn of time

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      • #33
        We don't consider incremental buying a cheat. In fact we were surprised that anybody did. Especially when the programmers changed it on buildings but not on units. That's why these things must be discussed prior. And why our "normal" rules make things easy.

        I don't consider this threadjacking because these were some of the issues that were a big thing when MP first came out, and Xin was one of the main pioneers. It's a shame that he doesn't play much anymore to enjoy the fruits of his early labor. "RAH" rules were based on a lot of the things that XIN discovered or came about from all the discussions we had then. But it has continued to evolve. And while he still finds ways to contribute, it's less, and we miss that and the companionship.

        RAH
        But it is good to read of him doing well and working his magic with other games.
        It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
        RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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        • #34
          I watch TV between turns

          Sometimes during my turn
          Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

          Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
            Sometimes during my turn
            Hmmm... that might explain many of the comments your fellow aussies make in regards to your skill level
            Keep on Civin'
            RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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            • #36
              HA! None of that motley crew has ever defeated me
              Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

              Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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              • #37
                Motley crew sums it up...


                Now Xin... any other tales of discovery for us...
                Please... Please... Please...
                Keep on Civin'
                RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                • #38
                  Incremental buying is the spawn of the devil!

                  Long time member @ Apolyton
                  Civilization player since the dawn of time

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Lancer
                    Incremental buying is the spawn of the devil!

                    *Wonders if Lancer has seen Xin's civ manager thread dealing with - among other things - automating incremental buying*

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                    • #40
                      Ming,

                      I really hope your interview comes in time and is posted as scheduled, this Tuesday (Chris 62, come on!), as I really want to read the answer to my question about rah



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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Solver
                        Ming,
                        I really hope your interview comes in time and is posted as scheduled, this Tuesday (Chris 62, come on!), as I really want to read the answer to my question about rah
                        So what if it's a day or two late
                        Heck, weren't you months behind It will be done shortly...


                        OH... and if after reading the Xin Yu interview, you agree that he is one of the "masters" of the game, you can always vote for Xin Yu in the Apolyton Hall of Fame...

                        Last edited by Martin Gühmann; September 27, 2012, 15:07.
                        Keep on Civin'
                        RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                        • #42
                          Yes! Please vote there!


                          Therer are so many people who deserve to be on it who aren't. I can't vote for everybody!
                          Last edited by Martin Gühmann; September 27, 2012, 15:07.
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                          • #43
                            Nah, Ming. It's just that you will be posted as #8, unless I send your interview to Dan tomorrow, and that's not going to happen.
                            Solver, WePlayCiv Co-Administrator
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Solver
                              Nah, Ming. It's just that you will be posted as #8, unless I send your interview to Dan tomorrow, and that's not going to happen.
                              Who cares
                              But it is nice to see you finally doing your job again

                              We did finish the interview yesterday... but I'm sure it's going to take him some time to clean it up and send a copy to me for my review
                              Keep on Civin'
                              RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                              • #45
                                What ???

                                I thought you'd finish it and send to me! I don't want any cleanups by Chris! I appreciate his work, but... cleaning the stuff up is MY JOB!!! I am making the interview editing, he's asking the questions and putting others into the list. Oh gawd...

                                And Ming, I so much want you used an instant messaging program
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