Don't Do That!

[yin26]

My take on all this: Firaxis never has made it a priority to interact with and keep its fans up to date. Things have gotten much better (yes, I said that) after they hired Dan.

However, it looks like they keep him running around doing a million other tasks when he should be pouring his heart and soul into the Firaxis Web presence and the ensuing good PR that constantly updated information and feedback would bring.

I do not blame Dan for this. These are matters of priority decided at much higher levels in the company.

Having said that: Yes, it's frustrating. Sometimes maddingly so.

[HalfLotus]

Originally posted by yin26
My take on all this: Firaxis never has made it a priority to interact with and keep its fans up to date.

Are you ****ing kidding me? They have a site, it's called Civ3.com. They do a civ of the week. They have a FAQ. They have developer update. They have lots of screenshots. Dan and other Firaxians POST ON THESE BOARDS REGULARLY. Sure, they have made mistakes (see above posts), but to say they havent made it a priority is silly.
Are you sure your MP anger isnt spilling over Yin?

[yin26]

Don't confuse the recent past with the company's overall performance. As I said: I don't think it's a priority for Firaxis. Yes, Civ3.com is a huge step in the right direction for the company ... but other issues still haunt them.

As I pointed out.

[Pembleton]

Originally posted by HalfLotus
Are you ****ing kidding me? They have a site, it's called Civ3.com. They do a civ of the week. They have a FAQ. They have developer update. They have lots of screenshots. Dan and other Firaxians POST ON THESE BOARDS REGULARLY. Sure, they have made mistakes (see above posts), but to say they havent made it a priority is silly.
Are you sure your MP anger isnt spilling over Yin?

Don't waste your time arguing with him. See Boris Godunov's signature for a reason: "Never argue with an idiot. You won't change his mind, and anyone watching can't tell the difference."

[HalfLotus]

Originally posted by yin26
Don't confuse the recent past with the company's overall performance. As I said: I don't think it's a priority for Firaxis. Yes, Civ3.com is a huge step in the right direction for the company ... but other issues still haunt them.

As I pointed out.

As far as recent versus past. They have had Civ3.com for some time now. Your conclusion that it isnt a priority runs counter to the examples that I gave and that you choose to ignore. What do other issues have to do with communication priority? They seem to be doing a great job to me.

[yin26]

What do other issues have to do with communication priority?

I don't care to re-run the past 2 years of Firaxis Follies. Read old threads if you are really interested.

[HalfLotus]

Originally posted by Pembleton


Don't waste your time arguing with him. See Boris Godunov's signature for a reason: "Never argue with an idiot. You won't change his mind, and anyone watching can't tell the difference."

I enjoy good debate, and Yin seems competent at least. Although his disappointment over MP seems to pervade and infect all of his debates.

[Comrade Tribune]

Halflotus: As Yin has pointed out, Firaxian PR has improved somewhat, recently. But as to the amount of openness, accuracy and interaction possible, look at what the MOO people do. You will sure note there is a difference.

[Pembleton]

Originally posted by HalfLotus
I enjoy good debate, and Yin seems competent at least. Although his disappointment over MP seems to pervade and infect all of his debates.

Oh I thought he was competent for quite some time until he just flat out lied. I can have respect for anyone who has some intelligence and is honest, but that just pushed it over the edge for me. I have him on my ignore list BTW.

[HalfLotus]

Uh-oh, comrade just got a kick in the butt from Yin and you're back for more. Just kidding.
The thread started by saying that Firaxis made a mistake and that "they shouldn't do that!" You agreed with him.

I repeat, you dont have to remind Firaxis not to misinform us. It's common sense.

[yin26]

I just love the people who don't actually care to read what I type or actually know what has happened these past two years and still feel qualified to argue about the past. HalfLotus: Feel free to use pop psychology on me, but I have facts on my side (again: go find them if you are really interested). But I suppose it's more fun to pre-judge me rather than consider carefully what is acually written.

And as a common debating rule: The first guy to call the other guy and idiot loses. This is common knowledge.

[Bisonbison]

Originally posted by yin26
Don't confuse the recent past with the company's overall performance. As I said: I don't think it's a priority for Firaxis. Yes, Civ3.com is a huge step in the right direction for the company ... but other issues still haunt them.

As I pointed out.

Haunt them? <b>Haunt them</b>? Jeeeez. Chill out dude. It's not like they killed someone by failing to describe river trade bonuses in succinct detail. It's a game, and
they have to spend their time and money producing it in such a way as to maximize their return on investment while also producing a product they're not ashamed to call their own.

Would the community of potential purchasers be better served if they hired another web guy, one whose sole job was to hang out at apolyton and answer dumb questions? I don't think so. Apolyton would be better off, perhaps, but I think Dan does a pretty snazzy job already.

Sid and company may have a history of secrecy, but it's their right to, and it keeps them safe from the insane rantings of the fanatical civ community. This kind of reaction is exactly why they hesitate to give tentative information in the first place.

What did they do in the end? Mislead you for a week about the espionage missions? Geez, I hope you didn't beat your kids in frustration. They didn't even take them out of the game, they just made a mistake and told you wrong.

[yin26]

until he just flat out lied

Translation: "Until he said something I simply didn't want to believe." Big difference. And keep in mind: He has me on ignore and STILL feels he can enter discussions about me. Brilliant!

[HalfLotus]

Originally posted by yin26
I just love the people who don't actually care to read what I type or actually know what has happened these past two years and still feel qualified to argue about the past. HalfLotus: Feel free to use pop psychology on me, but I have facts on my side (again: go find them if you are really interested). But I suppose it's more fun to pre-judge me rather than consider carefully what is acually written.

And as a common debating rule: The first guy to call the other guy and idiot loses. This is common knowledge.

I suppose your signature speaks volumes about your listening ability.

[yin26]

Bisonbison: Talk about chilling out, dude. You're busy talking about beating kids and I'm just making simple statements about a company that doesn't put a premium on PR.

Sorry that bothers you. Stick around. You'll have a much, much harder time 'chillin', dude' if this gets you so riled up.