Why can't we discuss the lack of multiplayer in Civ III in the Civ II MP Forum?

[Blaupanzer]

Realizing that the MPers are BOTH the most informed players on Apolyton and way too arrogant for their own good, I'll venture that Mark is trying to maintain some order in the midst of constant demands. Yes, I read the Civ II MP forum all the time. The players mostly admit their games do not cover the whole spectrum of civ advances and that the programming of the AI interests them not, except to make fun of it. Nonetheless, the time to add strat, create, and MP threads to the Civ 3 forum is when the game is released, not ahead of time. In the meantime, it wouldn't hurt for the MPers to mix it up a bit with the hoi poloi. Sheesh! The only time AH and Ming agree is when they are trying to convince Mark to let them be free from the "lesser" wretches.

[Alexander's Horse]

We bowed to your manifest magnificence

Originally posted by MarkG

after seeing the response to sits' threads in the civ3-general and the civ2/civ3 threads in the civ2-mp i still think there isnt enough actual interest to open the civ3-mp before it's time

Mark, we aren't posting any new threads on civ III in the Civ II MP forum because you closed about 6. If we were allowed there are several issues we would like to discuss.

Also, there is a longstanding precedent for this. Over the past year or so, as I'm sure Ming can confirm, there have been svereal threads about civ III - usually reporting news about it to the civ II MP community or commenting on development on Civ III MP. Sometimes just telling people to go to the Civ III forum to discuss an issue. You didn't close any of those threads.

So please go back to your earlier tolerant stance.

[SITS]

Originally posted by MarkG
rah,

after seeing the response to sits' threads in the civ3-general and the civ2/civ3 threads in the civ2-mp i still think there isnt enough actual interest to open the civ3-mp before it's time

beyond that, i'm wondering if you have any idea why there are no requests for the civ3-stategy or the civ3-creation forums to open earlier, even though there is much more info on these areas than multiplayer....

Mark - I suspect the reason people aren't jumping up and down for a Civ3-stategy or Civ3-creation is that no-one is flaming threads that relate to those topics nor is anyone starting threads 'Strategy is so boring....' etc. Yet this is happening to MP threads on a regular basis. I suspect the reason for the disapointing response to my threads is that they are quite easily lost in the chatter and the (sometimes) non-sense. A Civ3-MP forum will allow a proper discussion and also set out on-topic guidelines so if a SP'er starts messing around in the MP forum he can be removed. A MP forum isn't designed for posters to only look at that forum but to provide a focus for a subject that is very important to a lot of people on these boards.

[MarkG]

Re: We bowed to your manifest magnificence

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Mark, we aren't posting any new threads on civ III in the Civ II MP forum because you closed about 6. If we were allowed there are several issues we would like to discuss.

the threads i closed where either about civ3 having no mp, an issue for which there were many (and popular) threads on civ3-general, or about a civ3-mp forum, an issue which also didnt belong there...

if you used your time actually discussing about civ3-mp instead of participating in this thread, we might not have to do this discussion. unless of course you're having more fun this way....

[MarkG]

Originally posted by SITS
I suspect the reason for the disapointing response to my threads is that they are quite easily lost in the chatter and the (sometimes) non-sense.

and where is the huge civ2-mp community which asks for a civ3-mp forum but cant keep an actuall discussion on page 1?

A Civ3-MP forum will allow a proper discussion and also set out on-topic guidelines so if a SP'er starts messing around in the MP forum he can be removed.

if someone creates a problem in a thread you can report it to the admins....

[rah]

MARK, please respond to my request. AS I"VE ALREADY STATED

"I think you're right, not enough to open up a CIV 3 MP yet. So just don't close any MP discussions in the MP 2 forum. That's all we/I ask. "

AS stated, I give up, you're right already, we don't need a civ3 MP forum yet. OK oK Ok.

But, can we disucss civ3 mp concepts in the civ2 mp forum?

I thought it was a simple question, but you have dodged it again.

RAH

[ColdWizard]

rant deleted....

[Alexander's Horse]

At least Mark is still talking to us.

[Rasputin]

An unlikely alliance

I agree with Rah no point in making a separate forum for civ 3 MP , but I see no problem incorporating Civ 3 MP into Civ 2 MP... Perhaps a trial run to see the effect if any, and maybe a poll of current Civ 2 MP forum to see if thats what they want.

[MarkG]

the civ2-mp forum is for civ2-mp discussions

the example of GP's threads in the civ3-general show that civ3-mp discussion can work just fine in the civ3-general forum...

[TCO]

Originally posted by SITS


Mark - I suspect the reason people aren't jumping up and down for a Civ3-stategy or Civ3-creation is that no-one is flaming threads that relate to those topics nor is anyone starting threads 'Strategy is so boring....' etc. Yet this is happening to MP threads on a regular basis. I suspect the reason for the disapointing response to my threads is that they are quite easily lost in the chatter and the (sometimes) non-sense. A Civ3-MP forum will allow a proper discussion and also set out on-topic guidelines so if a SP'er starts messing around in the MP forum he can be removed. A MP forum isn't designed for posters to only look at that forum but to provide a focus for a subject that is very important to a lot of people on these boards.

Oh come on. Don't be so weak-hearted. Mix it up a little with the great unwashed...Talk to someone who doesn't agree with you. Don't be so worried about flames. Sheesh is that calling the kettle black...(AH)

You guys sound like the GameLeague guys when they were insisting on having OT discussions in GL.

[rah]

untill the game comes out, all that's there is repitition repitition repitition. I used to go there regularly but have since stopped. Too much boring clutter. And all the garbage of MP delays have disheartened me. I'll continue to frequent the forums that I use now until the game comes out. I have no interest.

RAH
Pretty depressing for an Optimist. (oh that's right, Mark killed that too)

[Alexander's Horse]

Let's hack it

Originally posted by MarkG

the example of GP's threads in the civ3-general show that civ3-mp discussion can work just fine in the civ3-general forum...

Did we ever say it wouldn't? Not the point really.

One thing I would really like to discuss with my civ MP buddies is if Civ 3 will have MP code which we can enable Both Civ II (simult) and CTP II (PBEM) had features which you could enable if you knew how.

[rah]

Originally posted by MarkG
the civ2-mp forum is for civ2-mp discussions

the example of GP's threads in the civ3-general show that civ3-mp discussion can work just fine in the civ3-general forum...

Ok, I thought I'd be nice and check out these highly touted threads that prove the rest of us are full of crap.



I've played over 100 different people in MP games and not a single one of them had posted in any of those highly touted threads. And half the posts were from people that have never played an MP game in there life. Real relevant

So my original arguement still stands, and your's doesn't.

Why can't the civ2 mp COMMUNITY discuss whatever the heck they want in the forum you set up for us to discuss things amoung our COMMUNITY as long as it relates to the game?


RAH
Thoroughly disgusted with the anti-community stance taken by the administration here.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by rah
I've played over 100 different people in MP games and not a single one of them had posted in any of those highly touted threads

which means that the people interested in civ3-mp are a much bigger group than the people who often post in the civ2-mp forum...

Why can't the civ2 mp COMMUNITY discuss whatever the heck they want in the forum you set up for us to discuss things amoung our COMMUNITY as long as it relates to the game?

first of all, civ2 is one thing, civ3 is another...

second, the civ2-mp forum is a collection of threads on civ2-mp
it's not a club for civ2-mp players where they can discuss whatever they want....