Why can't we discuss the lack of multiplayer in Civ III in the Civ II MP Forum?

[Ming]

Originally posted by MarkG
Each forum here has a specific topic
End of story

Hmmmm... let's see here... could you please explain how "general" = specific...

Fine... If that is your attitude, then just create the Civ III MP forum now so we can talk about it in the RIGHT FORUM! You are going to create one anyway... so why don't you give us a "specific" place to talk about it.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by SITS
Mark - Why not just create a new forum for CIV3 MP?

because there isn't a NEED for one.
there would be a need if there were lots of threads about MP in the civ3-general.
q: how many issues are there about civ3-mp right now?
a: 1
q: what kind of info do we have about mp that would create discussion
a: none

big interest is not enough when there is nothing talk about

as for the forums you mentioned, we have the civ3-general because there is a lot of interest and a lot of info for civ3. we have the civ3-civilizations because there is also a lot of interest and we have new info coming about every week. and the same goes for moo3


please explain me what isgoing to be discussed in a civ3-mp forum, when we dont anything about it and when we dont even know if it's going to be in the initial release or not

[TCO]

Give it a try, Markos. It will have at least the level of activity of the MOO3 forum...

Aaargh, what am I advocating? I LIKE the contentious debates about MP in the Civ3 forum. Why don't you civ2MPers get out of your little clique and come over to make some noise? It will liven things up a little.

[drake]

It's a community

Marky Mark...one you don't really understand (obviously).....

The MP people, as Ming pointed out, don't want to talk about the bells and whistles of what civ 3 is going to offer, because frankly they don't matter to us that much. The interaction between real people is what interests us.

The same people that play civ 2 multiplayer are the same people that will play civ 3 multiplayer which will most likely come out some time in the next decade. The need for a civ3 mp forum will become in-evidable anyway, so why don't we just set up a stupid forum for us mp people so we can talk our shop without worry of having to deal with SP goons........

It will make a lot of people happy, including me.
You say there's no demand for it, but how many people constitute a need?

[SITS]

Things to discuss in CIV3 MP

Is there or isn't there going to be MP?
What form will it take?
What improvements do we want from CIV2/SMAC?
Putting pressure on Firaxis/Infogames to include it
Type of tournaments/rankings
Strategies for MP gleamed from the knowledge of SP
Opportunity to build up a community of CIV3 MP that will enhance 'Poly for years to come


In a proper CIV3 MP forum there will be much more opportunity to expand the subject of MP at the moment it gets lost in the SP chatter. MP will be the thing that keeps CIV3 going in the years to come - just as MP did for SMAC/X. And I also bet you that the CIV Civilisations forum won't last year but no-one can say that about CIV3 MP.

[Solver]

Go Markos!

[Ming]

Originally posted by MarkG
because there isn't a NEED for one.
there would be a need if there were lots of threads about MP in the civ3-general.

Are you really saying that if we were to create a lot of different MP threads in the General forum that we would get a Civ III MP forum... In other words, you would reward us if we "semi spammed" (because most of the threads in Civ III right now are just repetitive or just plain spam as people look to increase their post count)

q: how many issues are there about civ3-mp right now?
a: 1

See Sit's posts... he seems to understand.

q: what kind of info do we have about mp that would create discussion
a: none

That didn't stop you from creating a CIV III forum when almost NOTHING WAS KNOWN ABOUT IT EXCEPT THEY WERE WORKING ON IT... which is IDENTICAL to the situation with MP.

big interest is not enough when there is nothing talk about

Again... see Sit's post, and look at the reaction you got when you closed down threads in the Civ II MP forum

please explain me what isgoing to be discussed in a civ3-mp forum, when we dont anything about it and when we dont even know if it's going to be in the initial release or not

Again... See Sit's post for starters...
How much of the original stuff in the Civ III forum was pure speculation and opinion or just pure spam? ALL OF IT!

Come on Mark... You have set up forums for games outside the "Civ Family" on less then this... THIS IS CIV WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT! Whether it will be included in the first release or not isn't the issue... IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE DELIVERED and that's the point!

If you aren't going to let the Civ II MP community discuss Civ III in their own forum, at least give us a Civ III forum so we do have a place to discuss it... FORCING US TO USE THE CIV III GENERAL FORUM is a joke... Maybe you would see more than ONE THREAD ON THE SUBJECT IF THERE WAS A PROPER PLACE TO DISCUSS IT.
Proven by the fact that there was more than one thread on the subject in the Civ II MP forum

[Chris 62]

An upside down world

What's up with this, Mark?

We are all saying there is a need, and a desire, and you say there isn't?!!?

What, are we on the "Pay no f*cking mind to" list or something?

You think I care what some punk who never played MP in Civ-2 thinks about Civ-3 MP?

That is just silly.

Would you prefer if we get all the MPers to post here about it?

Most of em don't venture to this part of the site, but if you don't believe us, will you listen to them?

I mean really, you have sections that are hardly ever used, all we want is to be able to talk MP in the MP forum for god sakes!

[Colon™]

Markos, perhaps you should spend a little less time in moving threads around and a little more time in making a decent reply on Cybershy’s perfectly legitimate question, or do you really want him to beg on his knees?

[Ming]

I think we are all overreacting here... Granted, I did too.

MarkG has his legitimate reasons, and we have ours.
It's time to remove emotions and negative comments, and focus on the real issues, and not just get into a yelling match.

Mark... sorry I over reacted... If we can have an informed discussion on this matter, it will help all of us.

Thanks for listening to our rants...

[Colon™]

Ming,
”MarkG has his legitimate reasons...”

I’ve tried to maintain the idea that Markos has a very good reason for everything he does or doesn't do for a very long time, but I have been giving up on that lately...

Sorry that I didn’t quite respond to your call to prevent this discussion from straying off. I sincerly hope it won't degenerate and this is my last post here.

[Ming]

Colon... your response about Mark isn't very fair.
Everybody has their own opinions, and the reasons for holding that opinion. Just because we don't agree, doesn't mean that people don't have legitimate points of view.

Mark has to look at it from an overall site perspective, while we are looking at it from a "very NARROW" point of view... who is to say who is right and who is wrong... Heck, we could both be right on this issue

[Colon™]

Well Ming, that’s the crux of the issue, isn’t it?. I’m very willing to believe (in)actions are perfectly legitimate, but how often does he bother to communicate about it in a friendly, cooperative and straightforward manner, if at all?

Maybe I’m wrong, in fact, I really like to be wrong now, and I hope this is the last word between you and me in this thread.

[ColdWizard]

Originally posted by SITS
Things to discuss in CIV3 MP

Is there or isn't there going to be MP?
What form will it take?
What improvements do we want from CIV2/SMAC?
Putting pressure on Firaxis/Infogames to include it
Type of tournaments/rankings
Strategies for MP gleamed from the knowledge of SP
Opportunity to build up a community of CIV3 MP that will enhance 'Poly for years to come

plus set-up of games (diplo gamers are already planning ahead)

[Alexander's Horse]

If Mark would stop locking threads on the Civ 2 Mp forum

There wouldn't be this problem. We just want to discuss it amongst ourselves. End of story. Its not a big deal.