Why can't we discuss the lack of multiplayer in Civ III in the Civ II MP Forum?

[Alexander's Horse]

It seems perfectly reasonable to me - the Civ 2 MP forum is where those most affected by this DISASTER hang out. Many of them only visit the civ II MP forum.

Its not like we're spamming or anything. We're discussing civ.

Also, I think we'd like to have some discussions WITHOUT all those annoying little single players present on the civ III forum.

Please cut us a bit of slack Markos - the Civ II multiplayer is a very strong community - we like to discuss civ stuff that affects us amongst ourselves. This is the biggest news for a looong time.

[Ming]

Mark... I have to agree with AH on this one (did I really just say that )

The CivII MP community is indeed a tight community when we aren't arguing about the rules to play by

The fact that there isn't going to be CivIII MP for awhile is probably THE BIGGEST issue at the moment. I see no reason why CivII MP'ers can't discuss this revolting development in the forum we use to discuss all issues pertaining to Civ MP.

While I realize that there is a Civ III forum... it is a far different community than the hardcore MP'ers who hang in the Civ II MP forum. Their concerns are FAR different than ours. While they are concerned about meaningless crap like what civs are going to be included, and how good the graphics are going to be, or whether there is going to be some stupid video... All we care about is continuing to play CIV with other people, not against some stupid AI that wouldn't know strategy even if it walked up and shook it's hand.

With rare exception (raz ), the spammers haven't taken over the Civ II MP forum like they have the Civ III forums. We are just a bunch of people who actually still PLAY civ mp and want to talk about it... And isn't that the idea behind the MP forum...

Cut us some slack Mark... I feel talking about this is more than appropriate, since WE are the ones that are most effected by this decision...

Thanks for reading my rants... I hope I have given you an Idea of how serious I am about this subject!

[DarkCloud]

Yes, what is the rationale for denying us a Civ III-MP forum? Are you afraid it would be spammed? Just post a message saying that if anyone spams in that forum, they get a 5% PCR and a week ban- That would deter me

[Alexander's Horse]

Thanks for your support Ming - hope it carries some weight

I know how hard that was for you

Btw Markos, i didn't start a thread about this multiplayer thing on the civ II Mp after I saw you'd already closed about 4 threads there.

That alone shows the level of interest. It also shows what a good site citizen I am being on this one

One of the biggest problems with discussing this on the Civ III forum is that from what I have read a lot of single players fear that the game will be delayed if MP is added. This is a legitimate concern I guess but they spam any threads about it where civ 2 multiplayers want to voice their opinion, which tends to swamp the things we want talk about, which are more specific.

Like, what are we gonna do if its true

[Ming]

No problem AH... we MP'ers have to stick together, just as we have for the past years...

Mark...
While I don't agree with EVERYTHING AH is saying, he is correct (NO... Not again ) when he says that the SP'ers spam or disrupt the threads about MP.

Again, the MP forum is the home for those here at Apolyton who still play civ, and mostly ONLY in MP mode. This news is BIG, and many of us are trying to come to grips with it. I want to discuss it with the MP community, people I STILL play with, not a bunch of people who haven't played civ in months, and are more concerned about how Civ III will be in SP mode.

As AH said, it's not spam... and it is ON TOPIC... what's the problem

[SITS]

To be honest I cannot see why there isn't a separate forum for CIV 3 - MP. Maybe a strong interest in the forum will convince Firaxis to make sure MP is included and there certainly is a demand for such a forum.

Not sure about the politics of all this but maybe if AH stops pushing for it then it might happen!

[Chris 62]

What does a horse, a Chinese dynasty, and a Paratrooper have in common?

They are all agreed on this!

As can be seen, non MP players see fit to comment on this issue if it's outside the civ-2 MP forum.

The Civ-3 forum includes a lot of whiney know-it-alls, who have been obbsessed with a game that hasn't even come out yet, where as the MP bunch just want to talk about what the MP (or lack there of) for it might take shape as, and when we might see it.

I know one guy advocated spamming Firaxis' mailbox, but why are the rest of us prevented from talking about it (outside of giving Ras an excuse to make another 1,000 pointless posts) ?

There is no place for it in Civ-3's forum, and we are prevented at the civ-2 MP forum?

Have you cut some deal with Firaxis to keep us quiet on the MP thing?

Smells of conspiracy.

Just a message, Mark, i might have to make this my latest cause, and you know how annoying I am!

[Alexander's Horse]

It does remind me of MarkG's censorship of comment on CTP I and II

Lighten up Mark, Firaxis won't hate you if you stop stifling criticism (which in the end, you can't do anyway).

Of course the alternative is we deal with the nuisance posters on the civ III forum and make it our own

A couple are already begging for my full attention

Also, some of the more prolific posters on the civ III forum, like Techwins, have already admitted they've played no more than a few games of civ II. Gee, I'm really interested in his opinion

[MarkG]

Each forum here has a specific topic

End of story


Some comments.
1) The civ2-mp community is not the only mp community here. There is also the ctp-mp and smac-mp communities.
2) There are 2 threads on MP in the civ3-general forum(that's just in the first page only), so there IS a place to talk about MP
3) if you notice someone spaming, report it to the moderators/administrators
4) if the civ2-mp community would like to discuss civ3-general forum, it should do so in the civ3-mp. i dont get it, are you afraid to meet new people or something?

[Alexander's Horse]

Er Mark, where is the harm in discussing civ III MP in the Civ MP forum?

Originally posted by SITS

Not sure about the politics of all this but maybe if AH stops pushing for it then it might happen!

So true, so true.

I really don't see what the big problem is anyway. We never see anyone in the civ II MP forum except the "regulars", who are mostly well behaved, except for Raz.

The civ III forum is overrun with newbies, some with little knowledge of civ 2.

[MarkG]

Re: Er Mark, where is the harm in discussing civ III MP in the Civ MP forum?

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
The civ III forum is overrun with newbies, some with little knowledge of civ 2.

in which case your presence will elevate the forum to new levels of civ-wisdom

[spartak]

Smells of conspiracy.

Quite - but consider the implications!

Ming and AH conspiring against MarkG. :horror:

[Alexander's Horse]

Oh well if you are just going to be a jerk about it

Micro manage to your heart's content.

I'll leave this to others to take forward now.

[spartak]

Re: Oh well if you are just going to be a jerk about it

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Micro manage to your heart's content.

You must be talking about CIV if its micromanaging.

[SITS]

Mark - Why not just create a new forum for CIV3 MP? A thread or ten dispersed in a large forum doesn't do the subject justice. We have two forums for CIV3 already yet the game isn't out including a forum on the civilisations and there is also a forum for MOO3 which isn't even out yet (I'm not complaining about those forums but just pointing out that they cater for a demand.)

There is huge interest in CIV3 MP and as other people said there is a large proportion of the 'Poly community who value the MP aspects of the various games. MP people I suspect are probably the most active memebers on your boards. To not provide a proper forum for them especially when you've provided a place for people to moan about the Welsh not being in the game seems a bit naff.

I new forum will allow the die-hard SP players to ignore it and provide a place of community to the people that take such an active part. You know it makes sense.