Why can't we discuss the lack of multiplayer in Civ III in the Civ II MP Forum?

[Lefty Scaevola]

Markos leans more to the gods of order than thoses of chaos.

[Alexander's Horse]

" I want to see apple sauce, apple sauce, apple sauce!"

MarkG's forum content obsession reminds me of that episode of MASH where Frank Burns was acting CO and ordered everyone got the same number carrots in the same compartment in the mess trays.

Go Markos!

[Imran Siddiqui]

I have to agree with Mark. Why can't you discuss this on Civ3 General? I haven't heard a convincing argument why you can't.

[Alexander's Horse]

Why don't you just f*ck off Imran. Is that convincing enough for you?

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I have to agree with Mark. Why can't you discuss this on Civ3 General? I haven't heard a convincing argument why you can't.

Last time I checked you aren't a regular of the civ MP forum. My point precisely.

Bloody busybody

[rah]

Every thread about MP in the CIVIII section has many posts by people that don't care about MP. EXCUSE ME for not feeling as comfortable discussing MP there as I am in the CIV II MP forum.

AND I HATE AGREEING WITH AH, but at least he plays MP, so when he expresses an opinion on MP, it carries much more weight then those snivelling little SPers in the CIV III section.

But most importantly, the CIV II MP forum has slowed down with all the CIV III hype going on. I want to discuss it with the CIV II MP community. I really don't see the problem.


RAH
Of course, this type of attitude by the establishment is exactly why MP will not be released at the start. It's just not important enough to worry about

[spartak]

My apologies for my of-topic posts earlier on in this thread. This is clearly a very serious and valid discussion and I hope that my levity did not distract from the good points made.

*Takes an opportunity to be on the same side as Ming and AH at the same time*

[Makeo]

i don't have much to say about civ3 mp.
but what i do have to say i would only say it in the civ2 mp forum or a civ3mp forum.
i believe this has already been said many times but it is true that the mp threads in the civ3 general forum are inundated with spers that don't really know what there talking about. this stifles what the real mpers want to talk about. its for this reason that i don't post in the civ3 section mp threads. i want to talk to mpers, not spammers.


Presently i don't feel that it is necessary to create a civ3 mp forum, simply because the game doesn't exist yet. i do think it would be nice to have a thread or two on civ3 in the civ2mp forum

[Alexander's Horse]

The people have spoken Markos

[Bird]

Instead of a forum called Civ II Multiplaying, why not just change it to Civ Multiplaying for the near term. All posts will then be neatly tucked away in their proper forum. You can create a Civ III Multiplaying forum whenever the time becomes right.

The reason none of the hardcore MPers will discuss Civ III MP issues on the Civ III General board is b/c there is too much "garbage" to sift through. I'm not particularly interested in a thread that simply complains about the speculated lack of MP in the initial release of Civ III, but I would like to discuss anticipated strategic issues in light of the few features and other things we know about Civ III.

The important thing, to me, is that I can't imagine anyone who uses the Civ II MP forum complaining about Civ III MP threads. Horsie probably would have had he been given the opportunity, but he's already boxed himself in on this one.

[Alexander's Horse]

Brilliant idea Bird

Originally posted by Bird

Instead of a forum called Civ II Multiplaying, why not just change it to Civ Multiplaying for the near term. All posts will then be neatly tucked away in their proper forum. You can create a Civ III Multiplaying forum whenever the time becomes right.

MarkG has already closed at least half a dozen threads on the civ II Mp forum. Its getting ridiculous.

[connorkimbro]

I agree there should be a CivIII-MP forum. It's a little unfair of mark to say there's no interested, when he's closing down all sorts of threads that are not in the right place, and the REASON that they're not in the right place is because there ISN'T really a good place for them yet. Why isn't there. . because there's no interest? errm. . right.

On the other hand, it's also a bit unfair for some here to bash the very newly developing civ3 community, some of those people who havn't even hardly played civ2 are going to become some of the best civ3 players out there, MP or SP. Don't use superiority (oh, I've played civ2 more than you, and I play MP, so ha!) to try to make yourself seem more important.

I've never played a MP game of Civ2 in my life. Why? Not because i'm some ignorant whining inexperienced little Civ2 players as some here would suggest. . but because i've never had the necessary ingredients all at the same time. 1. The Game 2. The time or 3. The people to play with. I had MPG at one time, but didn't have the people to play with, so i never played it. I sold the game. Now, i have the time, and the people to play with, but no game. And with civ3 just around the corner, i doubt that i'll start. However, that doesn't make me an inferior civ2 player. Granted, I have ZERO civ2 MP experience, but it doesn't mean that i don't know the game inside and out. Im sure the same is true of many of those "children" over in the civ3 forums.

Anyhow, i plan on being an active member of the civ3 community. I'm somewhat dissappointed by the fact that there's no MP right out of the box, although i probably don't know exactly what I'm missing yet. But i look forward to MPing, and i'd welcome a forum to start discussing the things that can be discussed at this point.

just my 2 (or maybe 3) cents.

[Alexander's Horse]

Thanks for your support Connor

I'm not one of those who feel superior to single players, and I will continue to contribute to the Civ III general forum on multiplayer issues regardless of what happens on this request - I think Firaxis reads it.

But having said that, I would still like to discuss the Civ III Mp problem with my friends on the civ 2 MP forum. I see no harm in it at all and in fact it IS a civ II MP issue because it looks like we will be playing civ II a lot longer than we expected

[TCO]

Rah, et al.,

I'm planning on commenting if I want to in MP threads within Civ2 MP. (I am not an MPer, now.)

[rah]

As long as you don't dismiss MP as being unimportant, I think people will welcome your opinion. That's the real issue here. The MP forum is 95% MP players. When I'm discussing MP whether it be civ2 or 3, I prefer to discuss it with people that care about MP. That is more likely to happen in the MP forum.

I don't mind SP players, just the ones that don't care about my MP concerns because to them it's an after thought.

RAH
It's nice to see a lot of the MP posters supporting that opinion in this thread. But I haven't seen Mark respond in many days, which is dissapointing. What's the harm Mark?

[connorkimbro]

I don't mind SP players, just the ones that don't care about my MP concerns because to them it's an after thought.

Perhaps i misunderstood at first then. Anyhow, i agree with you here.