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**MarkG** · April 12, 2000, 21:16

adamada, what exactly dont you get from my post?

as for your question on the "real meat of the issue", if I try to answer it, I will end up repeating myself using different words, so I might as well use the same ones
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</font>We had made the decision long ago and we will keep it this time to. As I had said in the past, if we had known what the background is behind that login, and we had noticed it it's creation, it would have banned, asking him to choose another one. Still, this didnt happen. Banning the name NOW would be in contradiction of everything we have done so far. Leting this name for this person be NOW, is an expression of saying that everyone is accepted on Apolyton if he follows certain common sense rules. AS hasn't goten a "vacation" for a long time.

I will say it again. If you feel that he or someone else is posting insults, flames and hatred comments and we are leting him do that, please mail us. Be sure that we will take action.
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**adaMada** · April 12, 2000, 21:31

Ming:

Two things:

A. Isn't using that handle an insult, in its own little way.

B. Why would banning the name now be a contridiction of everything you've said and done? Isn't it just correcting a mistake? Fixing something that needed to be fixed a long time ago?

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**Mao** · April 12, 2000, 22:21

adaMada, Ming isn't the only admin. of this site

Anywho, remember, insult is in the eye of the beholder, something could greatly insult me while have absolutely no bearing on you. Now, if the majority think that something is an insult, does that make it an insult? I say no, because if the majority say that 1+1=5, does that make it right? Of course not.

The irony is probably that AS hasn't even seen this thread yet. And by not posting here if he has seen it, he might be saying, "I don't have to listen to your silly accusations" rather than what you suggest.

**Imran Siddiqui** · April 13, 2000, 02:05

Yeah, Mao!

GO SPEER! Do not listen to these evil forces of PC!

**MarkG** · April 13, 2000, 03:37

A) for some people yes, we've said this already

B) when we found out the meaning of the login, we tolerated it's existence, and decided to judge it by it's use instead of banning it. after 1-2 "vacations" and all these months of discussions AS has learned what we and everyone else here finds acceptable. he hasnt been banned for anything he posted for over 6 months(if you have found him to be posting insulting material please do notify us).
so, banning the specific login now is in contradiction with how we have handled the situation all these months.

**Narck** · April 13, 2000, 07:26

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Mao on 04-12-2000 10:21 PM</font>
adaMada, Ming isn't the only admin. of this site
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**klesh** · April 13, 2000, 13:26

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 03-26-2000 06:58 AM</font>
Leting this name for this person be NOW, is an expression of saying that everyone is accepted on Apolyton if he follows certain common sense rules. AS hasn't goten a "vacation" for a long time.
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You can turn the other cheek, but the problem remains. A bad apple will continue to produce worms untill it is thrown away...

Maybe we should explain this to "One-ran", when he gets back...

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**adaMada** · April 13, 2000, 19:50

I can't help but aggree with Klesh. While it is the admins. decision, I (for one) will continue to state that allowing speer to keep his username is wrong. I also believe that it is perfectly acceptable for you to change your decision about the name. Before, it hadn't been publicized, and few people were complaning. Now, many people are saying that they are offended, and the decision needs to be rethought to take this into account.

I have a proposal. Why dosn't one of the admins. offer Speer the chance to change his username. He will retain his current post count, and the change will be publicly announced (so people know what his new name is) if he desires. Speer will be under no obligation to accept, but it can't hurt to try. If he was willing to do this, then the debate would be dropped (as long as he dosn't post anything else pro-natzi, that is).

As for my addressing my earlier comment to Ming: Sorry. I meant to write MarkG.

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**Mao** · April 13, 2000, 20:16

Well, let me give you a bit of advice, you do NOT, repeat NOT want this to leak into the OTF (where AS hangs out a lot). If it does, then there will be so much crap in there agruing about it. But I don't care, MarkG already made a decision, why argue with it. I'm willing to let this drop if you are.

**adaMada** · April 14, 2000, 16:58

Why is more people arguing over the subject bad (for my viewpoint)? It just causes more problems, which are all more reasons to make the user name change!!

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**Mao** · April 14, 2000, 22:48

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by adaMada on 04-14-2000 04:58 PM</font>
Why is more people arguing over the subject bad (for my viewpoint)? It just causes more problems, which are all more reasons to make the user name change!!

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Oh my god...I don't believe this...you really want to give Ming a mental breakdown don't you? I'm telling you now, if you do that, you're leaving yourself open to flames and a huge flame campaign. You don't have to take heed, but I'm telling you now. If you get this into the OTF, hell will be paid. Go ahead, try it, I DARE you!

**adaMada** · April 14, 2000, 23:16

I don't see why this would have such a big impact on the off-topic forum… Wouldn't most people just come here and post their thoughts?

I may not be able to get online for a while… Be assured that I have not given up.

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**Mao** · April 15, 2000, 00:15

*sigh* I guess you have every right to fight for it, but, by that same token, Mark and Dan has every right to ignore you...but they won't, because they're nice

Anywho, go ahead, bring it into the OTF, I bet you within the first 50 posts you will be called: a racist, a bigot, a facist, a evil outcast, a loser, at least. If you bring it to the OTF, I'm going to try to not post on it as it may erupt into a flame war with free speech as the issue. Either way, it's your choice I guess.

**Imran Siddiqui** · April 15, 2000, 01:41

Mao is correct. You shall be shouted down in a manner you didn't think possible. If Speer has to give up his name then ALL who have names about Communism and Socialism should have to change theirs!

**MarkG** · April 15, 2000, 03:07

adaMada,

if you, or anyone else wish to contact AS in order to discuss with him the posibility of changing his login, feel free to. We have more important things to do around the site, than start a process where we will have to judge every username someone might have a problem with(checking up new logins is another case)

AS is currently on "vacation"(for creating a double login). Since his e-mail is not publicly availiable(for everyone else except the admins that is) you will have to wait until he returns and posts in the OT(he is almost always there) so that you can contact him.

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