Speer's handle

[ghen]

I like chinese food, I hope we don't go to war with china.. Then I won't know if the food I eat is poisoned or not

[Legman]

Thanks for explaining the origin of your handle to me, and excuse me for not researching the intricacies of it myself...

As I mentioned, what it really comes down to is this: Do people find it offensive? I do, others might or might not, you don't.

And you can't deny that a handle like that will certainly expose you to criticism.

Speer's handle is the kernel problem though, and it's apparently being decided upon by the admins and others, so I'll await the white smoke signal now.

[Mao]

Actually, Legman, surprisingly (to you, not me, since there are a lot more radicals than me here) I haven't really had much criticism if any at all in my 9 or so months here. There's been one thread in the OTF asking the origin, and I abliged. This is only the second time my handle has come into question.

[Alexander's Horse]

Some have pointed out the initials of my handle are, ahem, interesting. Hope my real identity doesn't get discovered


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[Imran Siddiqui]

AH, really Alex?

I stand by my previous statement. This is bull****! If I name myself Reagan, will people come out of the woodwork protesting my name?

I think this is extreamly unfair, and will continue to no end to defend Albert Speer in this regard, and if it is taken away, then I guess they have added to my sig (the Free.. part).

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"Why wouldn't I agree with you? You're one of the smarter ones... and I'm not dumb"
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Free YYYH and Free Spink!
We shall never forget!

[ghen]

Imran, you gotta remember.. There was a login named Hitler, and it was deleted after the first post made. The standards are there, but they're very low. Myself, I've never heard of Albert Speer. It could be my next door neighbors name for all I know. Just let the past go, worry about what will happen.

[Lazarus and the Gimp]

It's just a name......

"Paedophile"
"Childkiller"
"Raper of babies"
"Your daughter's rapist"


All usernames possible to use at Apolyton. I could come up with hundreds more. What's the most foul perversion we could accuse a moderator/administrator of in no more than 25 characters?

A lengthy tract urging the visitors to Apolyton to kill all members of ethnic minorities after first raping and torturing them? Who's going to be the first to argue that this is simply a harmless collection of words?

Sticks and stones may break your bones. Words can spark genocide.

I think you've grasped my point. I'm not letting this go. Speer's name is offensive.

[Mao]

Lazarus, what if I find your name offensive, change yours! NOW!

If you're going to, you'll need a lot of support, and, well, most probably won't support you frankly. If simply a name is that offensive to you, you should read some of his philosophies.

You're fighting an uphill war, and you can easily be a victim with the word "Gimp" in your name.

And if you really think that just because someone with a handle urging someone to kill people that the readers will actually do it, I don't know what planet you're living on. And besides, the people who use handles like the ones you mentioned above will not be taken seriously anyway and just be accused of being double logins.

Speer is just one person, but the names you came up with there are general and can refer to more than one person.

[Lazarus and the Gimp]

Oh cobblers, Mao. Get a grip. If anyone seriously said they found my username offensive I'd change it without a second of hesitation. I've ditched handles before and I'd do so again.

I've read plenty of Speer's philosohies. Those that I haven't challenged head on I have ridiculed consistently over the last 9 months. It's still that name that bugs me most, however.

That paragraph you wrote about people being driven to kill by a username is the most willfully thick statement I've seen in months. My point is that the expressions "It's just a name" or "It's just words" are pretty daft in the face of the language of hatred. The names I suggested are an example of handles that would never be tolerated, highlighting the fact that the real issue here is "Where do you draw the line?".

As for fighting an uphill war? The fact that the issue of Speer's name is now being seriously discussed by the administration suggests that the summit is in sight.
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[Mao]

[qoute]the language of hatred[/quote]

And who is to decide what is hate and what isn't? You?

Lazarus, if you really conform that easily to the will of others, I wonder what kind of philosophy you have. If you're that afraid of offending others, you're doing so right now by being afraid of offending others. Be yourself, don't worry about what others think. There is common courtesy, but that only goes so far.

[Mao]

oh, and as for how the "summit is in reach", gimme a break. I can start a discussion here about the how this site sucks or how I don't like the colors of the site and it would be "discussed seriously". That's just what the admin. says. If this does go through, the "vets" in the OTF will get outraged.

[Huey]

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Oh? And who might those be? Anyone with King or Emperor in front of their name? Anyone registered before Feb '99?

And, more important, why should anyone care that those self proclaimed "vets" will get outraged? If those "free speech" advocates don't want to take other people's feelings into account they just can ...........

[Narck]

I for one would not be outraged if the guy had to change his handle... one can always promise him to transfer his post count and/or edit his date of registry or something similar, if he cares about it.

Why delete Hitler, but not Albert Speer?

[Mao]

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You should care because the "vets" (which I consider only to be OTF regulars basically since I don't use the Civ2 boards much anymore) are responsible for the majority of the posts on this site, and it is them who will title a thousand threads "Free Albert Speer, we will never forget!"

And besides, if you can argue to make it so that he has to change his handle here, I bet you anything that as soon as a decision is made that many more threads will be posted to try to get Albert Speer his handle back.

And what do you want Dan or Mark to say? "No, shut up, we're not listening to you"? No, obviously not, that would mean you would not visit the site anymore, so they'll tell you that they're working on it...

[Mao]

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I for one would not be outraged if the guy had to change his handle... one can always promise him to transfer his post count and/or edit his date of registry or something similar, if he cares about it.

Why delete Hitler, but not Albert Speer?
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Wasn't "Hitler" a double login anyway? And if someone were to actually name himself Hitler, how seriously would he be taken?