Speer's handle

[Mao]

DF, this is an internet site, it doesn't matter how logical your arguments are, people will still be offended and will still speak up about it. You're not going to stop that. Society has many double standards that we must all abide by if we want to be a member of said society, it's just the way it works, it's not right or fair, but that's just the way it is.

Oh, and in case you're wondering, there is more than one Mao in China.

[Mao]

We also have to remember that AS (the guy on the website) is actually a self-proclaimed facist, whereas I'm not a communist

[Imran Siddiqui]

DOUBLE STANDARD!

Djug is the real name of "Uncle Joe" Stalin. And Djug does say some pro-Communist things. Anyone protest him? This is just a bull**** request.

[Legman]

I agree 100.00% with Lazarus and the Gimp. The handle Albert Speer is highly offensive, not so much the actual content of his posts, or the ones I've bothered to read anyway.

This weekend I visited my parents and surfed Apolyton when my Mother entered and out of curiosity she followed me scrolling through threads for a while. I had a bit of explaining to do when she saw Albert Speer's handle on the screen... A handle like that (apart from being offensive to the regular posters) gives the wrong impression to outsiders and might scare off first time visitors before they learn what Apolyton is really about.

And as mentioned by others, Djugashvili being the surname of the biggest tyrant and mass murderer in history, known under the alias of Stalin, is also incredibly offensive, IMO anyway. The reason there's no fuss about it is that most people don't get the connection to Stalin, but it's still way out there.

Mao who just posted here isn't one of my all time favorites either. It's a slap in the face to the millions of victims of the Cultural Revolution and the people of Tibet.

What's the purpose of these three handles anyway? Next we'll have a Saddam Hussein, a Pol Pot and an Augusto Pinochet - yup, nice cosy place, Apolyton.

I like the idea of having them change their handle and being allowed to keep their post count.

[Mao]

Like I said, Mao does not have to be Mao Tse-Dong. What is your problem? Do you know how many people are named Mao in a country of 1.2 billion? If you choose to associate with Mao Tse-Dong, that's your own problem, no way in hell I'd change mine. Mao could be my real name and I have every right to it. I didn't even use a last name (I did this purposely just so that I wouldn't be associated too much with Mao Tse-Dong). Do you claim that every Adolf you see is Hitler? Every Josef a Stalin?

[ColdWizard]

it seems superficial to get worked up over the name somebody has selected to be their login. They're not expressing the same beliefs of the people they named their login after are they?

After all "what's in a name?"

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[Monk]

Actually I don't really mind "Albert Speer" posting, I just wanted to point out the weirdness that you are allowed to imitate Nazis but not allowed to say "hell".

[KarstenWilli]

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That's wrong. He was minister of war and thanks to Speers excellent organizing skills the germany was able to continue the war. He didn't destroy german installations (so he disobeyed Hitler in that point). He was sent to prison for 20 years because of comitting crimes against humanity. I found this quote of the real speer
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"Ich habe einem Regime gedient, dessen eigentliche Energie auf die Menschenausrottung gerichtet war".

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"I served a regime, that spent it's energy on extermination of humans"

[Gozer]

I still think a "campaign of silence" is the best route with that AS guy. Arguing over whether he should or should not have the right to use the handle or trying to persuade him to change his handle only plays into his hands. Attention mongers are just as satisified with negative reinforcement as with positive. I'll bet he's having a grand old time reading all these posts about him. Truly sad.

[Legman]

In Chinese, the name mentioned first is the family name, so the name Mao is certainly not a common name like e.g. Chang or Li.

By choosing a handle like Mao, you expose yourself to criticism from people who oppose totalitarian regimes and despots.

You did choose it to inspire an association to Mao Zedong, didn't you? Well some people find that offensive, and I guess that's what it comes down to.

[DanQ]

These discussions are now being taken up via email between Markos, Ming and myself with another concerned member of these forums regarding the Speer handle.

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[korn469]

Huey: i find your name to be offensive...it reminds me of all the innocent civilians murdered by the imperialist americans flying in helicopters during viet-nam

Jools: i find your name offensive it sounds too much like drool which is rather offensive since it is a body fluid

Ming: i find your name as offensive too...flash gordan and his people suffered under the tyranny of Emperor Ming the Merciless for much too long...how dare you take the name of a fictional despot!

MarkG: i too find your name offensive...it sounds like you are using mafia jargon...Mark being an easy target and G mean 1000 dollars...i can't believe that you encourage crime like that! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Gary: you name offends me because it reminds me of gary bauer, who is a religious bigot

KarstenWilli: your name sound like a reference to a male body part...i'd be ashamed if i was you!

Monk: i like your name is sacreligious and should be banned from apolyton...it borders on libel to all people who have true faith

Nimrod.: your offensive name goes beyond the pale! first it is an insult. second it slang. third it sounds like it is referring to an unspeakable male body part! you should be banned!!!!

David Floyd: i know that your name is a reference to the band pink floyd! if you keep on encouraging innocent minds to experiment with drugs because of your leecherous name i will have to report you to the FBI

Lazarus and the Gimp: your name takes a religious figure and turns him into part of an offensive campaign to encourage people to be sexual deviant! i have seen pulp fiction...you cant deny that you name has an innocent meaning!

Gozer: your name encourages kids to huff glue! how dare you post here!

Narck: wasn't that what the smurfs said in that weird episode when they hopped around and bit each other on their cartoon butts? what kind of deviance are you peddling mister?!

Mao: with a name like that you must support the rape and pillage of tibet! i hope the dali lama can forgive you one day because of your offensive name!

Imran Siddiqui: you must be a support of louis farakhan(sp?)! he is a racist! you must be a racist! change your name at once!

Legman: why don't you demean women a little more! i am email MarkG and the NOW (national organization of women) to get your name banned!!!

ColdWizard: there is an obvious refference to witchcraft in your name! i haven't seen so much evil since i saw an ad for a harry potter book! i am afraid you are trying to get children to worship demons!

DanQ: there was an old cops show on TV that said "book 'em Danno!" it is obvious that your name refferences this! these cop shows have turned our society into once based on violence and decay...you harm young minds DanQ!!!!

korn469: your name glorifies a band who is vulgar and offensive! also i think that 469 is a lightly veiled refference to oral sex! you might as well put in 420 also and had sex drugs and rock and roll all in your name! your will pay for this outrage!

*Note: no actual names were harmed in the making of this post...all characters presented herein are entirely fictious and in no way represent any persons, either living or dead. this thread was created by legal means and cannot be quoted without the expressed consent of the author and the N2SX network

SXRXNRR

p.s. i was joking in case you didn't notice (or don't have a sence of humor)
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[klesh]

Read the real Albert Speer's entire Nurenburg defense here:
http://www.courttv.com/casefiles/nuremberg/speer.html

It's real long 50 pages, so if you want to download:
http://www.courttv.com/casefiles/nuremberg/speer.zip

[goofydrew]

ColdWizard...

you are absolutely right.

"What's in a name? That which we call a piece of poop
By any other name would smell like a piece of poop." -Shakespeare(or that's what he woulda said if he had ever encountered AS)

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[Mao]

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In Chinese, the name mentioned first is the family name, so the name Mao is certainly not a common name like e.g. Chang or Li.

By choosing a handle like Mao, you expose yourself to criticism from people who oppose totalitarian regimes and despots.

You did choose it to inspire an association to Mao Zedong, didn't you? Well some people find that offensive, and I guess that's what it comes down to.
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No! I didn't! Would anyone like to enlighten him about my handle as I've done so many times before?

Fine, I'll tell you. This is a CivII site! I came here because in a recent game (actually now it's been a few months) I was saved by Chinese allies and their leader was Mao, so I used this handle in tribute. God, maybe you should talk to me before assuming what I represent and what you think of me. I'm so tired of people judging a book plainly by its cover.

True, Mao is a last name, but so what!? There are friggin' 1.2 BILLION PEOPLE IN CHINA!!! AT LEAST A FEW HUNDRED FAMILIES HAVE MAO AS THEIR LAST NAME TOO!!!

UGH! Speer and Djuga (to a lesser extent) actually support facism and communism respectively, I don't support communism! Maybe if you'd talked to me you'd know that instead of just looking at the name and making assumptions!