Sparta-Gaian Relations part II

[Maniac]

Darsnan and Illuminatus were online a while ago. So as far as I can tell it's not like they can't download and play the turn, they don't want to.

[Snoddasmannen]

Let's hope they aren't thinking about bailing out on the game ...
(I can see how an unprovoked attack could have a demoralizing effect)

[Kassiopeia]

I could see it having the opposite effect, actually. Let's hope.

[Modo44]

Moved from Sparta-Angels relations thread.

Originally posted by Googlie
LOL - and I was just going to suggest that we sail the Disco Volante around the Horn of Geomatrix to join the Gaian Expeditionary Force for some serious stuff ( the R-112, the Unity rover, upgraded, the Invincible and the SCC Iaci, plus the Disco would make a truly formidable task force attacking - and holding - any Gaian coastal base)

That, I think, should be a message we send to Gaia. Something like:
"We really want Morgan put down after all they did to us, and you are getting in the way. It would be a real shame if Gaian bases started appearing in Hivean colours all of a sudden..."

[Kassiopeia]

It's all a defensive action. Always has been.

[Modo44]

Just thinking aloud here. If we switch to Green + Police State (this is under serious consideration IIRC), and gift some captured bases to Yang, we could really win him as our ally. The Gaians, being an easy target at the moment, could provide those bases (even if Yang loses them back quickly). Do I make sense?

[Googlie]

Just a little hiccough - we need Cent Empathy to go green, and with the disabling of the EG it's not that attractive a tech for us now (except, of course, for the capturing of mindworms and Iod's)

Even the gaians haven't felt it was worth researching just yet

[Googlie]

this passed to binTravkin at the Council meeting:

e-mail from Googlie to Chaos Theory and binTravkin

Greetings, Lords of the Gaian Union:

With Lt Colonel Kassiopeia embarking for a few Planet years on project RL, I have been designated by the Junta to handle all the Spartan Federation's external affairs.

The first order of business is agreeing to a truce.

Although our 2 factions have somewhat of a history of cool relations, our recent "spat" was intended to be short lived in any event, as we needed to clear a passage for our fleet (and also somewhat as retribution for your pacting with our enemies, the Corporation)

And in this context, rest assured that out units healing at the monolith at co-ordinates 61:57 have no ill designs against your base - they are indeed healing after being severly tested in our capture of the Hive's Huddling of the People base. They will board the transport waiting offshore after refreshing themselves and gaining their morale uplifts.

We have high hopes for this Planetary Peace Conference, as we believe that a prolongued period of peace and prosperity will better enable us to cope with the irascible Chairman and his Hive minions. We see that you - like us - have been prudent in signing a truce, but our agents report that he is again in vendetta with the Corporation. It seems our friend needs a target to direct those forces towards.

For our part - given that the Federation is geographically removed from the Gaian Union - we see little gain by our factions' continuing in a state of vendetta. Indeed, with the removeal of sanctions next year, it is in all our interests for harmonious relations to be restored, and the Junta is interested in the Gaian Union position on a possible Treaty of Friendship between our factions. Whether this could lead to a re-opening of our embassies, and eventual mutual technology trading, only time will tell.

Regards,

Colonel Googlie

My thinking is that if we get rebuffed by the Gaians, we can maybe waltz in and take that base, then gift it to the Hive

[Maniac]

Public diplomacy in the Conference thread backed up by bilateral talks behind the scenes. I like it.

[Googlie]

This copied from the Morgan thread, as a suggested send to the Gaians:

"Dear Friends :

We at Sparta Command are getting concerned that the Gaian Union is falling behind in the technology race, and risks becoming irrelevant on Chiron.

We would like to remedy that, and offer you the opportunity to buy/trade from us the technology Planetary Economics, and with it the rights to build the Ascetic Virtues SP (This will increae your POLICE rating to a par with the other factions, and allow you substantial growth in the next few decades)

And our terms are reasonable for such a unique opportunity:

Treaty, 250 credits (which can be paid in up to 5 instalments), and the undertaking that you will not onward trade that technology to any 3rd party. As well, we would require formal acceptance of our right to broker any deals between our protectorate, the University, and any other faction.

Interested"

[Googlie]

And maybe this one, before PM'ing to binTravkin, needs to be a little more elaborate, in keeping with the other two:

Dear Gaian Lords :

We at Sparta Command are getting concerned that the Gaian Union is falling behind in the technology race, and risks becoming irrelevant on Chiron.

We would like to remedy that, and offer you the opportunity to buy/trade from us the technology Planetary Economics, and with it the rights to build the Ascetic Virtues SP (This will increae your POLICE rating to a par with the other factions, and allow you substantial growth in the next few decades)

(If these terms are acceptable, then the federation undertakes not to build the Ascetic Virtues ourselves)

And our terms are reasonable for such a unique opportunity:

• Treaty
• 250 credits (half up front and the balance which can be paid in up to 5 annual instalments)
• and the undertaking that you will not onward trade that technology to any 3rd party
• the undertaking that you will not build the Cyborg Factory
• As well, we would require formal acceptance of our right to broker any deals and monitor any contacts between our Protectorate, the University, and the gaian union

Is the Gaian Union interested?

[wuy3]

so all that postering with the DA's only to give up AV to the gaians? From what I see, our main intent is to get back on treaty with the gaians so we can get the commerence bonus?

[Googlie]

If we end up selling Plan Econ in 2172 to the Gaians and in 2173 to Morgan and to the Angels, we'll get:

750 ec's
MMI
Exclusive rights to build the Cyborg Factory
Formal recognition that we call the shots on University trades and contacts

in exchange, we don't buold the AV (and thus take the ethical high road), and we cut back our moDo borders somewhat

Not a bad trade off, IMO

(That's assuming they all 3 buy in)

[Modo44]

I agree that the plan sounds good. That kind of cash can be very deadly if used for the correct upgrades.

[Maniac]

I read we're at truce with the Gaians, so how about sending them something similar to what we sent the Corporation a while ago?

To: The Corporation

From: The Federation

Since peace finally reigns again between the Corporation and the Federation, we were wondering whether you'd be interested in cementing our relationship by resuming technology trades. You've got the credits. We've got the techs. What better circumstances for tech trades could there be?

Specifically, we have Doctrine : Initiative, Adaptive Doctrine, Cyberethics and Intellectual Integrity for sale. Imminently we will be able to add Neural Grafting and Planetary Economics to that list.

Are you interested?

Colonel Googlie ......... on behalf of the Federation

To who are PMs for the Gaians sent to these days btw?