Sparta-Gaian relations

[Kassiopeia]

I am referring to just that, the Aimoo meeting room. Yes, it's not much at the moment. There is only one forum for diplomacy with the Gaians.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Googlie
Is it worth asking them if they have the Angels' commlink? And if they'd be willing to swap it for Lal's (assuming my theory of how Buster has set up the factions is correct, they won't have been able to pass thru the Angels to get to Lal yet.)

But I'm sure that by now the Gaians have met the Angels - or vice versa

As long as we hold on to Zak's (and don't give Lal's to Yang) we can hold off Yang calling elections as long as we deem strategically beneficial to us (to act as the honest broker in a few deals)

If we gave Lal's frequency to Gaia, wouldn't there be the risk (if Gaia and Hive somehow signed a treaty) that Gaia gives Yang Lal's frequency, and thus that Yang can call the council?

Also if we give Gaia access to Lal (and thus automatically also Zak - they just need to buy the frequency at Lal's for 25c), given enough money they'll have access to all those techs we currently have a trade monopoly on: DocMob/Flex, AppPhys; NonlMath, Gene Splicing...

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A possibility, perhaps wishful thinking I don't know, is that they haven't met the Angels yet, but that they just gave every Gaian some neat title right at the start of the game, even if they hadn't yet met the related faction. Ouro_827 has been having that signature for quite some time already.

[Kassiopeia]

A possibility, perhaps wishful thinking I don't know, is that they haven't met the Angels yet, but that they just gave every Gaian some neat title right at the start of the game, even if they hadn't yet met the related faction. Ouro_827 has been having that signature for quite some time already.

Ah, yes, that thought did cross my mind... I find it a bit far-fetched, but not unlikely. After all, we already have a thread for Sparta-Morgan relations too.

[Kassiopeia]

Unfortunately, looks like that theory is out of the window. Lord Illuminatus mentioned (the Gaians accepted the Treaty in its temporary form, btw ) that they are in the midst of electing an ambassador to Sparta. (This does pose an interesting question of protocol - are we facing dishonour if the highest ranking diplomat must deal with a "lowly" ambassador?) If they are doing that only just now after initial contact, certainly they've already met the Data Angels a good while ago?

No word on the other trades, I suppose they're still voting.

I'm just getting a chilling feeling that the other three have been in contact and working together for quite some while now. Perhaps the Gaians have even received IndAuto from the Morganites. (But then I'd find a no-trade clause highly likely with such a prestigious trade - and I find it unlikely the Gaians would be willing to outright break it so early on.)

[Googlie]

I don't see how the gaians have met Morgan. The latter only got flex a turn or 2 ago, and the Gaians still don't have it. My reading of the map is that they are a couple of continents apart, so unless one of them got the other's from Yang, (and remember, the AI doesn't volunteer another human player's commlinks in trade - they have to be asked for it), I don't reckon they've yet met (Gaians and Morgan, that is)

I do believe that the Gaians have met the Angels, and I think that they are neighbours (the Angels lying , IMO, between the Gaians - southwest quadrant of the map - and the PK's - southeast quadrant - ie, Angels habitate the south center)

[Maniac]

I'm just getting a chilling feeling that the other three have been in contact and working together for quite some while now.

Remember several Morganites have made public comments such as "The game will hopefully become more interesting after the human factions have met each other". This seems to indicate that at least the Morganites have not yet met other human factions.

[Kassiopeia]

Hey, the fact that it's a chilling feelng means it's not based on rational conclusions but irrational assumptions.

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Googlie
I don't see how the Gaians have met Morgan.

But yet they do have each other's commlink (it doesn't show as a trade item when we contact Morgan (see my possible booboo thread)

(Same with the Angels - they too have met the Gaians, as we can't offer the Gaians commlink to them as a trade item)

[Maniac]

ah damn

Edit: I just realized something. IIRC we seem to have forgotten to add a no-trade clause to our tech deal. Is important if we want to get a few other goodies out of selling Gene Splicing.

[Googlie]

I agree. Perhaps Kass should add a post to the Embassy tech trading thread along the lines of:

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The Junta has insisted on the following agreement:

Trade Protocols:

• Tech Levels: - The principle is established that tech-level trades (eg a level 3 for a level 3) need no add-ons for offer or acceptance by either party (subject to below)
• Embargo on third party onward trading: - Onward trading (to any third party, human or AI) is prohibited by both Sparta and Gaia for a 20 year period following such trade exchange (subject to variance by mutual agreement between Sparta and Gaia)

*************************************************

[Kassiopeia]

Ack! Good point there. I added the clauses to the tech trade thread, let's just hope the Gaians won't have to redo their polls or anything.

[Googlie]

I actually like it, as it's quite devious.

Here's my surmising:

The Gaians got Ind Auto from Morgan, with a "no trade" clause.

When we offered them Gene Splicing for it, the delay has been that they had to go back to Morgan to 1) get permission to onward trade it, and 2) extract something else from Morgan in exchange for GS

If they come back and nix the trade, we'll know that this is the case

[Kassiopeia]

We'll be without our trade, but then, they'll be without their GS. That would explain the delay, yes. Most intriguing. Maybe I should give them a little prod if they keep dragging their feet. I did try to put it as sternly as possible that the trade is no go if they do not want to adhere to our rules.

[Googlie]

Naw - I'f I'm right about where Morgan is, we can get a counter offer to/from them for ind Auto and Gene Splicing, and then the Gaians would be USCWAP

[Kassiopeia]

The Morganites might not be as receptible to our trade as the Gaians, who could use it to cement a position as a sort of brokering office between us and the Morgans. They'd need hab complexes and stuff to have any use out of GS anyway, would they not?