Sparta-Gaian relations

[KrysiasKrusader]

(laugh)

I have no idea how you can type all that out that fast. There is only a few minutes between our posts.

There is no way I'll be able to answer all that for a while.

I just threw something together as quick as I could before, cause I saw you were on line.

Your in charge of diplomacy buddy. Do what you feel is best.


And, like I said, there are "etc.'s" I had put up there before. I didn't take the time to explain a whole deal cause I was trying to type fast. I never reveal my positions of strength in negotiations for technology, intel, etc. Unless I have some sort of pact and/or understanding/entente/agreement...

Edit: Don't wait for me. I'm inbetween episodes of real life at the moment. Post (do) what you feel is best. I'll type some more later...

[Googlie]

I like this approach

(btw, I don't think "Lady Skye" is either Darsnan or Hydro - the language is a bit too imprecise for them, as if Englisg=h may not be their mother tongue)

G.

[KrysiasKrusader]

Darsnan is American.

I know him well enough.

His command of the english language is excellent (for a Yank ).

[Snowflake]

... or made permanent

Just a word of caution with regard to the rule of the game. You know that coop victory is disabled so permanent pact is not possible. I'd think same goes to permanent treaty too, don't you think?

[Googlie]

Well, technically a permapact is possible, but somewhat meaningless as only the team transcending, or conquering (or cornering the market or getting voted el Supremo) will win

In this game's context I'd assume it to mean a "for always, but may the best team win" kind of pact

(and I had a little fun in our ambassadorial forum, censoring my offer to intervene with yang on the Gaians' behalf. Now Kass can offer it as a legitimate trading item)

And note, too, that they are - in that forum - suggesting tech-parity trades (level 1 for level 1, level 3 for level 3, etc) - prolly means that we'll have to give up either a 1 and a 2 (maybe Applied Physics - a 1 - and Nonlinear math - a 2) for Ind Auto (a 3) or else Gene Splicing (3) on its own for Ind Auto

G.

[Googlie]

Another possible bargaining chip - information

(this posted in the General Covert Ops thread):

Note that the Hive has only 1 probe team (but it's on the move, as it's not showing up in any base's garrison). It is homed to Labor Network (their most southerly base) so I'm assuming it's en-route to infiltrate the Gaians

[Kassiopeia]

Krysias: Thanks for the support. I do appreciate a great deal if someone makes me suggestions and proposes corrections, I feel uncomfortable running things all by myself, not getting any feedback from others.

As to my typing, well, years of rigorous practice

Originally posted by Snowflake


Just a word of caution with regard to the rule of the game. You know that coop victory is disabled so permanent pact is not possible. I'd think same goes to permanent treaty too, don't you think?

Certainly, of course. I think in this context permanent means more like "won't have to be renewed every now and then" rather than "will never be broken".

I am going to throw the tech proposal I detailed before to the board and see what they'll come up with. We'll make concessions if we need to, but have to appear like we're just about to get IndAuto ourselves or something to that effect, lest they try to milk us for all its worth.

The information bargaining chips are excellent, thanks to our diligent Covert Ops. I do agree that we'll *probably* end up offering Gene Splicing for IndAuto, but we have to at least *pretend* to be quite indifferent about it. Failing all else, we could hint that Yang is enroute with that probe and that perhaps we'll be able to trade it off of him should he steal it from them...

[KrysiasKrusader]

Kaptain "Lightning Fingers" Krysia's Krusader Has Finished Typing...

To make things easier on me Kassiopeia; your in italics, my answers are in regular writing.


Negotiating just simply needs time.

- Yeah. But not neccessarily "lots" of time. Multi-player games can sure swing swiftly when human factions start interacting. If we should enter in a long term relationship with the Gaians, we may well be able to leave the Morganites and Angels in our rover exhaust fumes...


(Why Senior? Both imply that there are several? I find Chief more Spartan.)

- "Cheif" is commonly reserved for the non-commissioned officer class (cheif warrant officer, etc.). While "Senior" applies to commisioned ranks (senior duty officer, etc.), which with the rank of "Major", you are.


(this is just icing on the cake, why not)

- Shows that you will be willing to put in your own personal extra effort.


(I can't see a nuance difference between "if" and "although" here, can you elaborate? I do find "if" more impolite in a certain way)

- 10 years is a long time when you start a flurry of tech trades. We can "theoretically" have DAP technology by then; should we hammer out a complex deal now.

Beasides: If I were playing the Peace Keepers, or the Gaians, I would be worried about politness. Since we are Spartans, although we will always be considerate, I want them to know that we are more concerned with the sharpness of our spears.


(I like things that are divisible by five myself; I think more than eight might make them a bit more receptible?)

- That depends on how much experience their own negotiator has in multi-player games. See my answer just above. Also shows that we calculate and put thought into things, hence we're not amateurs. That might "spike" them to getting the ball rolling.


(removed the "deemed", gives it a more stern tone)

- Okay.


(true, we need not specify the term)

- Nod.


Of course, if we start to nitpick over every word and phrase, diplomacy certainly won't be going as swiftly as you'd like.

- And that's why your in charge! So you can cut through all that. (And didn't you previously ask for our thoughts?)



"Lady Skye" is an actual member on the boards, some Gaian has registered the user and is using it to talk to us. I think addressing "it" is prudent.

- Prudent is striking them before they strike us. That is my mentality. That is our leaders mentality. That is the Spartan mentality.

- All this Lady Skye demonstrates to me is that someone is willing to hide behind a picture. They're masking their identity. Thus a form of deception.


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Everything expressed here, and in most of my posts, are just my way of looking at things, coupled with my own experience. By no means, should any of you take this as crticism. Quite the opposite. I learn how you all think by these exchanges and can thus improve my outlook on things.

[Googlie]

Not a bad tactic to use. I'm sure that the Gaians have a probe or 2 in service, but maybe not at the appropriate base ('cos the AI knows where human players' defenders are)

Here are the Hive techs as at 2140 (with an arrow pointing to those on our "shopping list" when our probes get active at his coastal bases):

[KrysiasKrusader]

*laugh*

I see you posted while I was typing in the box.

[KrysiasKrusader]

And now Googlie has done the same.

*laugh some more*

You sure that's in the correct thread Major Recording Occifer of the Junta...?

[Kassiopeia]

I changed the title to "Senior Diplomat (Officer)", although we're not using US ranks directly, they have been a great inspiration.

I also changed the term to eight turns just to keep them on their toes.

And I just posted it. Also posted the tech trade proposal.

We need not be silvertongued, but I think a certain degree of politeness should be a given. The Lady Skye thing is a facade, yes, but an inconsequential one, and I don't think we lose anything by following their lead on that for a bit. A small concession in hopes of larger counter-ones, if you will.

[Snowflake]

As the historian I should point out that the Gaians have kept Lady Skye alive in their initial roleplay, as people who were around in the beginning would notice. As apposed to what the Spartans did to their beloved leader Santiago.

[Kassiopeia]

If they are willing to give BioGen or IndBase, which one do we want? The latter, what with Morgan already having BioGen - or does BiogGen lead to something we want?

[Googlie]

Biogen leads to Gene Splicing (which we have) and "Secrets" (which we'll get eventually from Zak). Plus, it gives rec ranks and the HGP (already gone to Morgan)

So I'd give it a miss

Ind Base gives Synth Armor (level 2) and leads to HEC which gives Plasma Armor (level 3). It's preferable to any other level 1 tech that we lack.

we can get most level 2 techs thru payment (eg Eth Calc from Zak or Doc Loyalty from Yang) or from probing.

I'd be inclined to give a big yawn to level 1 and 2 techs unless for Ind Base, which we shouldn't give up too much for

G.