The Mess Tent

[Jamski]

He's a good catholic

-Jam

[Googlie]

ROFLOL

(cf Rommel and the Camel)

[Kody]

Trust Jamski to make me smile.

I'm just gathering evidence on Enigma, I recompiled Codicil without password protection and used it on the HoF PBEM.

[GeneralTacticus]

Huh? What did Enigma do?

[Maniac]

Have a look at the three threads Kody last posted in in the Multiplaying forum.

Anyway, mods, may I hope this means Enigma_Nova will be thrown out of the Angels and the ACDG3 in general? If you want, I could start a thread in the general forum asking/demanding this, so that people who are against E_N leaving can argue against me instead of start flame wars against you guys. Also what does Enigma_Nova's cheating in the ACDG3 involve? "Simply" some exploring in all directions with old turns, or more serious stuff like reloading and reloading to get mind worms in every square or getting better unity pod results?

[Kody]

ACDG stuff is being handled by Drogue.

For the PBEMs....
Reloading to get mindworms,
Reloading to get pod pops,
Reloading to remove fungus bounce (high probability, there's a small chance he didn't),
Reloading to decrease unit damage in battles,
Reloading to explore (suspicion, can't confirm),
Rover Chassis from Probe retro-engineering,
Former reactivation after getting repeatively told it was illegal

Last edited by Kody; July 7, 2004, 09:44.

[GeneralTacticus]

He did all that? How do we know?

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Kody

Do you mean he did those things in the PBEMs he is in, or also in these mere four turns of the ACDG?

In case of the latter, this really sucks. If it was somewhat later in the game, I guess it wouldn't make that much of a difference, but in the first few turns getting some energy credits, some better pod popping results etc can make a huge difference. And the Angels probably already got the best starting position (two CPs on a river I assume), so this would make things really unfair for the three other teams.

A restart would suck too. It would again waste lots of time, and personally I'm pretty happy with the pod popping results (the monoliths) we got until now. I would hate to lose those.

Anyway, if Enigma_Nova cheated in this ACDG3, I guess some ways to correct things without a restart could be:

Reloading to get mindworms,

The Angels have to get rid of the credits E_N accumulated that way, eg by paying too much for a hurry order.

Reloading to get pod pops,

That's IMO the most damaging one for game balance and unfortunately also the most difficult one to correct, as it's hard to decide what's a "normal" pod pop result Imagine what one could do with some 75 credits or alien artifact pods this early in the game... I guess a solution would be that the Angels have to get rid of part of the things E_N got from the pods, or that the three other factions would be allowed to also pop, while using reloads, a certain number of unity pods equal to the number E_N already popped, to get whatever pod result they want. I'd hate a solution like this though.

Reloading to remove fungus bounce (high probability, there's a small chance he didn't),

Solution: The units that did this would have to skip two turns.

Reloading to decrease unit damage in battles,

Again skip a # of turns to simulate the time they would normally spend repairing the extra damage.

Rover Chassis from Probe retro-engineering,

Simply not use rovers I guess.

Former reactivation after getting repeatively told it was illegal

Do the Angels already have formers? Or did E_N not do this yet in the ACDG3?


Anyway, I guess a solution like this would really suck for all the other fair-playing Angels. For them I assume a restart would be best. If that happens, how about that the other factions have to reload until they get the same pod popping results as in the current game?

[Kody]

He did those things in his PBEMs.

[Maniac]

Ah, I just reread your previous post and I see you already said this.

[Kody]

No I edited my previous post. It was my mistake not yours.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Maniac
Anyway, mods, may I hope this means Enigma_Nova will be thrown out of the Angels and the ACDG3 in general?

If he's been cheating in the DG, yes. If not, no. If suspected, but not strongly enough to warrent complete expulsion, I will ask that he not play the turn, so as to limit anything he could do, while we decide if cheating in other PBEMs is enough reason to kick him out of all.

Originally posted by Maniac
If you want, I could start a thread in the general forum asking/demanding this, so that people who are against E_N leaving can argue against me instead of start flame wars against you guys. Also what does Enigma_Nova's cheating in the ACDG3 involve?

I'd rather you didn't. When we've finished investigating his turns, we'll post about it, but until then, I'd like nobody to jump to conclusions.

[Googlie]

As a matter of interest, was the Angels' "accidentally discovering" the location of The Hive an Enigma_Nova "accident"?

[Kody]

No Drogue, Honghu and I are pretty sure that was a real mistake non-related to Enigma.

[Drogue]

As Kody says, it was not Enigma's mistake. I didn't want to give people more information, but almost every faction jumped to that conclusion, and it is incorrect.