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  • #61
    Googlie was trying to post the memo in the Spartan Embassy, so I guess I'll just post it myself. Remember, the official position of the Federation is to disregard this memo.

    CONFIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM

    To: Mr. Chaunk, CEO, Morgan Industries (the “Corporation”)

    From: Lieutenant-Colonel Googlie, Joint Chair of the Junta, The Spartan Federation (the "Federation")

    Subject: Testing the conditions for a "Deep Pact" between our factions

    Date: Mission Year- 2143

    ************************************************** ************************************************** **********

    This is a personal initiative and does not reflect the official position of the Federation

    By way of background, I lead a "wing" of the Junta informally known as "the pro-Morgan wing". I have recently been arguing in Junta sessions that we consider establishing much closer relations between our two factions, creating, if you will, on Chiron, a "Military-Industrial" complex intertwining of our officers and your economists and scientists.

    By focusing our efforts on certain key technologies such as Doctrine Flexibility and Planetary Networks - to the exclusion of more traditional research paths that lead to Industrial Automation - we have succeeded in exploring much of Chiron, have infiltrated several factions, and have met - and signed Treaties with - all 6 other factions that survived Planetfall.

    And while our military build-up has been proceeding as planned, our covert operations and diplomatic efforts have yielded impressive results. (As an example, we now possess the useful technologies of Ethical Calculus, Gene Splicing and Ecological Engineering, to name but 3. I was instrumental in persuading the Junta this year to offer the Corporation the opportunity of licensing the Ethical Calculus technology)

    But clearly, as a faction that likes its "expensive toys", we cannot over the long haul hope to compete economically and scientifically with a faction such as the Corporation, and this leads me to approach you with the following suggestion for consideration by your Board:

    Let us pact together, for a period to that point in time where we - together - discover the Mind Machine Interface technology. At that juncture we then have the option of going our separate ways, or perhaps extending our co-operation to the attainment of some future milestone technology, such as Super Tensile Solids, again agreeing to part company at that point.

    While it is inevitable that upon that parting we will compete for the victory of our own Philosophies, in suggesting this latter pact duration we are pretty much conceding that we are unlikely to want to wage vendetta against you, as strong as you will be by that point in time.

    We would see this pact as being non-exclusive (in that we realize that to maximize your economic potential you will want to pact with all 6 factions, if possible) but will be all-inclusive. If we have researched or probed a tech that you lack, you need only ask and it will be sent forthwith, and vice versa. Our two factions will run an integrated economy where we will provide navy and air force services, provide exploration information and, to the extent that our meager research efforts allow, leapfrog with you in researching technologies on both our critical paths. We would be integrated to the extent that we will agree in advance which Special Projects we will each pursue (and I would broadly see the Federation concentrating on those that provided free base facilities - to offset our lack of energy production and ease the economic burden we would be to the Corporation - and the Corporation focusing on those that provided research, economic and population boosts)

    Thus the role of the Corporation would be as a research and economic engine, while that of the Federation would be defense, threat suppression and global projection of power. The Corporation would likely grow through internal expansion, the Federation through external acquisition.

    And when that time comes where we part ways and endeavor to impose our unique ideology on Chiron, the Corporation will likely have the option of dominating economically, or scientifically (by transcendence), while the Federation's choices will likely be diplomatically (by persuading a 3/4 majority of Chiron's citizens that Spartan rule is beneficial, or militarily - by forcing them to accept that rule) It should promise to be an interesting time in Chiron politics.

    So, my dear CEO, I have given you much food for thought. Your answer needn't be this year, as the year end is almost upon us, but I would appreciate your initial reaction which, if favorable, will embolden me to continue to vigorously prosecute a Morgan alliance within the Junta discussions

    Sincerely,

    Lt. Col Googlie
    "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's? Pay no attention to Caesar. He doesn't have a clue what's really going on." -Cat's Cradle

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    • #62
      It´s a pity the Junta didn`t agree...
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      • #63
        You know, if the Spartans do invade us let they grab a city. We'll just swarm it with probe teams, tech steal and then take it/buy it back. We'll then have weapon tech to build real military units. Their invasion would be beneficial... for us.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by arginine
          You know, if the Spartans do invade us let they grab a city. We'll just swarm it with probe teams, tech steal and then take it/buy it back. We'll then have weapon tech to build real military units. Their invasion would be beneficial... for us.
          Our ability to probe is our only effective defense.

          Mead

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          • #65
            Latest from the Embassy. Posted by Arginine.

            Well, this would explain the schizophrenia I've been seeing in the Spartans. I thought it was an effort to lull us into a false sense of security and have our greed cloud our persceptions.

            Very well, I had my eye on acquision of planetary governorship in about 5 to 10 years. It is a big longshot in my eyes. I should point out that Morgan Industries recently has acquired the PTS in case the Federation is not aware of that. I figured it might be possible if one of the computers voted in favor of us and the other abstained and the Spartans voted for us (after recieving a huge bribe of course). I bet Sparta could use the money to build creches.

            I should also point out that invasions always take longer than expected. The PTS will increase Morgan's might. Had your faction already taken action it would have gotten more than expected for little in return.



            I am NOT an official spokesman of Morgan Industries or its subsidiaries regarding official policy.
            Arginine, what is the stratgy you are employing with the Spartans?

            Are you meaning to tell them that we are expecting an invasion from them?

            Are you meaning to tell them that we do not think it would be successful for them?

            Are you trying to intimidate them?

            I should also point out that invasions always take longer than expected. The PTS will increase Morgan's might. Had your faction already taken action it would have gotten more than expected for little in return.
            Are you telling them that they should have struck us already? And that the PTS only makes us stronger, so that time is of the essense, and that they should attack as soon as possible?

            Let's discuss this internally before we post it in the embassy.

            I hope Sparta does not take this as a suggestion that they should attack us, now.


            Mead

            PS
            I don't want to criticize you. You are one of our most active and productive members with very good knowledge and insights, but I would appreciate you confering internally with the Corporation before you post strategy discussions in the embassy.

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            • #66
              I second that, Mead.
              "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's? Pay no attention to Caesar. He doesn't have a clue what's really going on." -Cat's Cradle

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              • #67
                i think it was a good shot too let them know we are prepared for a backstab. But do not challenge them to much. They know that every turn our turn advantage increases because of the money we make. I don't think they will attack soon, unless they know we dont have many probes. MayB we should give them a demonstration

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                • #68
                  Latest from the Embassy:


                  Date Posted: 25/10/2004 3:39 AM
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                  Lieutenant Colonel Maniac has refused your proposal of 6 ecs a year for 15 years. He has asked me to tell you that you may want to reconsider, as while Mister the_realarginine's views may not be official ones, they have caused a slight uproar in the Federation.

                  This is in reference to the one that has been edited away but the one we managed to capture:

                  I should also point out that invasions always take longer than expected. The PTS will increase Morgan's might. Had your faction already taken action it would have gotten more than expected for little in return.
                  [Emphasis mine]

                  Lt Col Maniac is dismayed at the thought that Morganite elements have seriously considered that we have been plotting an invasion. There is no reason for any of you to think so and statements such as these are hardly ones that cultivate trust.


                  Major Kassiopeia, Diplomatic and Foreign Affairs Officer of the Spartan Junta.

                  Message edited by: Kassiopeia on 10/25/2004 03:53:27[Server Time/GMT -8 Pacific Time]
                  They seem to be a little unhappy.

                  I'll try to work with them.


                  Mead

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                  • #69
                    My reply to Kass (I'm trying to ignore and move past recent unhappiness).

                    Date Posted: 25/10/2004 4:25 AM
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                    Lieutenant Colonel Maniac has refused your proposal of 6 ecs a year for 15 years. He has asked me to tell you that you may want to reconsider, ***


                    Lt Col Kassiopeia

                    Morgan and I enjoy working with you.

                    The reason why we don't want to pay too much for EC is because, accepting your terms, we will be unable to build the CDF or, even worse for us, make money off trading it to other factions.

                    Maybe it's worth more than 6 EC per year for 15 (with your terms), but not 10 per year for 15.

                    Please let me know what you think.


                    Mead
                    CDO, Morgan Corp.

                    PS
                    Enclosed in the turn you will find 5 ECs, for your share of the Morgan bonus.

                    I'll probably respond in more detail later today.


                    Mead

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                    • #70
                      we should give the same blabla as them with googlie: faction wants war instead of peace, licence of weapon tech and so on
                      be creative and greedy

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                      • #71
                        I dont think we can comit outselves to as deep an aliance as Googlie sugjests, though I do belive he dose infact wish for such an aliance.

                        We need more contacts before we can commit, if Sparta is willing to trade com links we could investigate the moods of other factions (and make trade deals) and if a Gaian/Angel Pact seems to be real we can alie with Sparta.

                        Another consern with this aliance should be the Spartans gobling up our trade partners both Human and AI. I would rather have them beat up Yang if they concour anyone.
                        Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks - those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - Thus spoke Zarathustra, Fredrick Nietzsche

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                        • #72
                          My personal response to the Spartans, provided the board grants approval.

                          // begin response to Spartans
                          The board was displeased with my earlier statement, so I took the message down.

                          The 'schizophrenic' statement refers to some of the earlier mentions of a 'pact', while at the same time being stingy about simpler things. With the existence of a few pro Industrial-Military Complex officers, that behavior makes sense.

                          The invasion statement was to convey that we have plans to make an invasion unprofitable and we are watching. I figure people in favor of an invasion would be silent, unless an extortion effort was undertaken. Realistically, I feel there are better targets for conquest, and almost certain the Federation knows that as well.

                          Finally, right now I would be willing to pay 15 EC / turn for assistance in becoming planetary governor (provided we do become governor) That is in addition to the 5 EC / turn increase our existing treaty would generate for the Spartans. I guess the Federation would also like access to the infiltration data as well in spite of already having good intelligence.
                          // end of response

                          The earlier prices are justifiable for researching a tech, but not for stealing it with cheap probe teams. I figure the use of 20 mins for 1 move probe teams. Assuming a 40% success rate of tech steal and 0% team recovery rate, that would put the expenses at 137 EC assuming flat out buying the probe team or 100 EC if the energy is spent on facilities and the extra minerals go to build probe teams.

                          If use of an expensive transport is needed for infiltration, fine we'll pay for its use. If a declaration of war is needed, fine we can provide susidies for the construction of a defensive base and military units to offset the costs of a war. Those are the costs of doing business so we pay them.
                          Last edited by arginine; October 26, 2004, 14:00.

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                          • #73
                            I was concerned about our trading partners getting gobbled up also. In order for us to get trade, we just need the opponent to have a city. It can be a giant size 14 city, or a small size 1 city. It just has to be a city. A bunch of size 1 cities with 1 square spacing could be given to the computer to give us trade.

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                            • #74
                              I posted this for the Spartans:
                              Sorry if our team as a whole is a little inexperienced with diplomacy... enough to cause hiccups, anyway. Please understand we're trying our best to cooperate in a way that helps us both equally, which in the end benefits us both the most. I'm talking about fairness.

                              So in the interest of seeking fairness, please make a counteroffer regarding Eth Calc. We respect your belief that it's worth more than 6 ec/turn for 15 turns, and we'd like to find a middle ground.

                              -COO Yoda
                              "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's? Pay no attention to Caesar. He doesn't have a clue what's really going on." -Cat's Cradle

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                              • #75
                                Latest from the embassy:

                                We appreciate your willingness to establish a fair price for Ethical Calculus, and I think that your diplomatic efforts have been at least cordial, if not completely professional as you lament.

                                The Junta recognizes your financial troubles at the moment, therefore we suggest an additional exchange of technology to cover for the lowered licence fee. Therefore we propose that the following might be an acceptable compromise for both of our factions:

                                Morgan Industries supplies to the Federation the technology of Industrial Economics , pays an annual licence fee of 8 energy credits for 15 years for the use of Ethical Calculus, and undertakes not to trade it to third parties for a period of 9 years. Furthermore, the Corporation undertakes not to build the Citizens' Defense Force. Ever.

                                In exchange, the Federation will transmit to Morgan Industries Ethical Calculus, with the no-trade embargo reduced from our original 15 years to 9 years, and Gene Splicing - Gene Splicing will not have a no-traude clause attached to it.

                                [Unofficially, I will say that if this is accepted, I am fairly certain that my Junta colleagues could be convinced to explore a joint initiative towards securing Ecological Engineering and Environmental Economics for both of our factions.]

                                Also, while I am sure that our titles may be confusing to you, seeing as you are all Misters, I have to correct you, Mr. Mead, in that I am not a Lieutenant Colonel, but a Major.

                                Major Kassiopeia, Diplomatic and Foreign Affairs Officer of the Spartan Junta.
                                I plan to accept this with the following provision:


                                Major Kassiopeia

                                We appreciate your kind understanding of our situation.

                                We agree to your offer with the with the following provision that you, like us agreeing not to transfer Gene Splicing or EC to anyone else for 9 years, agree not to trade Industrial Economics for 9 years to anyone else. And as we promise to never build the CDF, you promise to never build the PEG.


                                To summarize:

                                We give you Industrial Economics, 8 ECs per year for 15 years (120 ECs total), our commitment to not transfer either EC or Gene Splicing to anyone else for 9 years, and our commitment to never build the CDF.

                                You give us EC, Gene Splicing, your commitment to not transfer either EC or Gene Splicing to anyone else for 9 years, and your commitment to never build the PEG.

                                If you agree, please send both Techs to us preaccepted and post a response confirming your acceptance.

                                Mead

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