Diplomatic Contact with the Spartans

[Illuminatus]

I know the Spartan team members. If I know them well, we have been probably targeted for elimination in near future. I know they have flexibility and I am almost completely sure they have NonMath (Yang has it, Sparta a momentum faction = they must have traded for it), so they are probably building up troops up now. I wonder if they will hit us or Morgans first.

Also, I am very sorry since they've got Flex and Calculus, which are both invaluable techs. I say we still try to get Flex from them, and forget on Calculus for time being - we will get in future in some other way. I will notify GeoModder,

[Chaos Theory]

We can get Doc: Flex from the Angels as per our standing agreement.

The Spartans would be unwise to attack us this early, and with this little information. Maybe they'd like to subjugate us, but it would be to no avail if the cost is too high. They might not even know what segment of the continent we're on.

[Illuminatus]

Should we offer Doctrine: Loyalty to Spartans? They don't have it. We might get Flex in return.

[binTravkin]

We can get Doc: Flex from the Angels as per our standing agreement.

Should we offer Doctrine: Loyalty to Spartans? They don't have it. We might get Flex in return.

...am I missing something?

[Illuminatus]

If we get Flex from Spartans we can use research point Angels accumulated for sth else (not mentioning trading them Flex ).

[Chaos Theory]

I'm not keen on offering the Spartans much, especially as it'll be aggravating to work out even such a simple deal as this with them, without 20 year embargoes and 50 EC Junta taxes, etc.

[binTravkin]

50 EC Junta taxes

What is that "Junta" stuff?

If our diplomatical staff is optimistic about this, we could consdier such a trade, however, D:Loy is quite valuable tech for spartans as it gives em CN and Police (which I doubt they will use), so they could be a bit more interested in this deal..

[Chaos Theory]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
It is my belief, from your earlier offer to trade to us Social Psych before the decade's end, and your denial that you are researching Doc Flex, that you are currently researching Social Psych.

We have just obtained this tech and are wondering if you would be interested in a trade sequence that would significanly enhance the technological status of both of our factions. We also have two of the three techs that Social Psych leads to - Secrets of the Human Brain and Ethical Calculus - and if the Gaians are willing to engage in some "leapfrogging" we might be willing to package these for "to-be-researched" techs and other future considerations, probably or possibly including clauses that forbid building certain Secret Projects if it is deemed necessary.

We are wary of organizing this due to your apparent deep co-operation with the Angels, but we're also willing to give you an opportunity to prove that you will respect any no-trade clauses that will be naturally coupled with this leapfrogging effort, the details of which we may discuss later on.

Edit: I have no idea where the eye-rolling smiley came to the post title on the forum listing, and I for the life of me can't figure out how to get rid of it. Please ignore it.


Major Kassiopeia, Diplomatic and Foreign Affairs Officer of the Spartan Junta.

Message edited by: Kassiopeia on 11/04/2004 09:57:19[Server Time/GMT -8 Pacific Time]

This trade will probably be difficult to pull off, for a variety of reasons:

The Spartans like their embargoes
They want SP restrictions
We research Social Psych in 2147
They have already stated they will overcharge us for tech (though this may only be in conjunction with a lack of an embargo)

[Illuminatus]

If we can get Ethical Calculus and Social Psych and we can avoid SP restrictions with a mildly reasonable price, this could be an option.

[Chaos Theory]

I need to play the turn in the next several hours. If I do so without a trade in mind (which would be difficult), then to trade for Social Psych, the Spartans would need to send it preaccepted for nothing, and we would have to pledge to send something else on our turn. They may not trust us enough for that.

[Illuminatus]

I warned them, and I will warn them again.

[Chaos Theory]

The Spartans definitely know where we are, as while moving a probe team, I discovered a scout foil on our coast. They've no doubt seen our territory boundary, and know we are in the southeast.

[Chaos Theory]

Originally posted by Maniac
Memorandum of the Junta

The Gaians obtained the technologies Doctrine Mobility and Gene Splicing upon opening their 2142 turn and accepting their profferred trade to us

Both techs are embargoed for 3rd party trading for five years, so the earliest the Gaians could onward-trade either would be the 2148 year.

Just a reminder to avoid possible misunderstandings.



"I love the smell of nerve gas in the morning." -- Pedro 'Maniac' Riveira

I don't know about you, but to me, 5 years means 2142, 2143, 2144, 2145, and 2146. Another representation would be [2142, 2147). Sounds like they're trying to squeeze out a little more, but if their interpretation is common among our members, then we can grant them some slack.

Our options are:
Trade in 2148 - this is probably the most desirable if the Angels won't complete research in 2147
Trade in 2147 and explain the meaning of 5 years to the Spartans - honest but tough
Trade in 2147 and say nothing - I like this the least, as they can check for conformance the same way we could tell they lied about Morgan's commlink; we don't need to sink to their level


Incidentally, though I trust the Spartans much less because we caught them lying, I still believe they will not intentionally break a trade agreement. We also will have the treaty of friendship up for renewal in about 2 years.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Chaos Theory
The Spartans definitely know where we are, as while moving a probe team, I discovered a scout foil on our coast. They've no doubt seen our territory boundary, and know we are in the southeast.

Crap. If they could move scout foil to us, then we are definitely in their range.

[Chaos Theory]

We've known for a long time that they can move ships from them to us. If they want to move an army, they'll have a lot more trouble, and they'll have to expend a great deal of resources. Even so, I'd like more units around our bases, but this is nothing to fret about.