2181-2190

[Hercules]

Also we can move the Sioux to Kodycopter (it is 2 and 1/3rd moves from Mart Pact).

When stealing from Yang blame Santiago., we've nothing to lose.

[Kataphraktoi]

they have infiltrated us. that cruiser had a probe,im positive

Operation Mayhem

[GeoModder]

I prefer to destroy the PSA for everyone ingame. Gaians and Morgans are for sure already infiltrated by Spartans, and most likely Sparta still not by either faction. I think that Spartans will go to great lengths acquiring this Project, to the point that they will simply invade whatever base in whatever faction that holds it. In a sense it is too bad Yang won't talk to us, we could offer him tech as well to make Sparta's life more 'interesting'.

[Kataphraktoi]

good idea,give him all tech

how about sacrificing all our crawlers to get needles,interceptor and otherwise? maybe we could at least repel S and fight over arcadia turf as long as possible to drain S resources

[Hercules]

We don't have PSA yet, we will discover it next turn. However it will cost us 10-12 crawlers to build the HSA and then we destroy it. That doesn't make total sense. I would prefer to let Gaians build it. Spartans are going to attack other teams anyway and if it comes to it the Gaians can self destroy it too.
Meanwhile if we are gone at least gaians can't be probed for latest techs.

[Kataphraktoi]

what about my turn everything into army idea

with the sole intention of screwing S

[Hercules]

I don't know quite what to do with MP. Leave it so we can probe it: If we starve it , when they invade will the base disappear anyway or will there be one citizen left.

Use our F6 units to take out the 4-1 -10 units: that doesn't help and we'll lose these units anyhow the next turn.

Try to destroy the roads leading to EM and KP. and place some crawlers on the route. We can even use the formers to destroy the roads. I guess we might need a crawler in MP just to make the invasion rovers use a turn although I guess they can use their bombers.

If so place the crawlers first so that it may fool Sparta into committing their Amphibious rover units and leaving them exposed. Just thoughts. I guess EM will have to be self destructed.

[Hercules]

I have got to go I 'll be back around Midnight BST.

Good luck.

[Kataphraktoi]

mart

i have to wonder why you posted that rules question. i prolly missed you mentioning it earlier-we have been posting alot-but whats it about? probe rating can never prevent infiltration

[GeoModder]

I don't think we'll be able to build the HSA if we start obliterating our bases. We depend too much on trade and specialists for research and income, something EM provides alot of.

[Mart]

Geo, We must attempt still. If we shut down our faction, we can set up more thinkers, switch to knowledge for that one turn and get it. I think it is possible. EM gives only +18 labs. We may get it elsewhere.

Re probe rating question - yes, I can see it now. I just got strange result from my scenario editor, but I corrected the problem. And yes, it never prevents infiltration, and thus we must go for Mayhem.

[Mart]

Originally posted by Hercules
We don't have PSA yet, we will discover it next turn. However it will cost us 10-12 crawlers to build the HSA and then we destroy it. That doesn't make total sense. I would prefer to let Gaians build it. Spartans are going to attack other teams anyway and if it comes to it the Gaians can self destroy it too.
Meanwhile if we are gone at least gaians can't be probed for latest techs.

It is better indeed, but notice the following:

After we discover PSA, Spartans have their turn and after that Gaians.
- So we get PSA insert it into Gaian commlink.
- Spartans probe it in their turn, if we leave them bases to do it. Then instabuild the HSA. They would probably go to any measure to get it. It is not that expensive SP. Only 10 crawlers. They might even pay 4 EC/mineral with recycling some facilities if needed.
- Gaians get PSA in their turn, but it is already to late. Spartans have it instabuilt.

I think we have to go for Mayhem Project. Additional benefit from turning off DA will be, that there will be no more the third human faction, that would give Spartan Planetary Datalinks feed. After Hive will be destructed, and I think it will be in short future, there will be only Morgans and Gaians apart from University. If Morgans and Gaians do not trade with Zakharov, Spartan PD will be practically useless. Zakharov's tech rate is probably marginal.

[Mart]

The correction to Project Mayhem might be:

In 2188 the following bases will be obliterated:
- Mart Pact
- Heavens Gate
- Geomatrix
- Kahlua Probing
- Enigma Machine
- Timberland

We can minimize possibility Hercules Station would be accesible by placing a F-6 over the tile 17,61. Still, Spartans might attempt to fight it, but we might try.

This would probably ensure getting PSA next turn. We need only 116 lab points.

[Mart]

Originally posted by Cataphract887
what about my turn everything into army idea

with the sole intention of screwing S

It is better I think to prevent Spartans from getting Pre-Sentient Algorythms from us. This technology is too important, leading to fusion busters weapons.

If Gaians cooperate with Morganities, they can get 2 fusion busters in around 10 turns. Imagine, what kind of pressure it will be on Spartans, when they do not have this weapon.

check Gaian tech rate. 6 turns, and the next one is in 5 turns! Orbital Spaceflight or Fusion in 2193.

[Mart]

I would also destroy every possible enhancement Spartans could use. Boreholes, solar collectors, farms. The less they get from our land the better. Gaians will probably not take this terrain at all. Spartan recultivation should be hindered as much as possible.