The Infotrader/Infiltrator Network - Diplomacy plug-in (II)

[FlameFlash]

I agree on the trade, but not on the SP. We should get kicking on building it ASAP, IMHO, if we can just to remove the temptation.

Or have I been out of the loop long enough again that we are?

[ForesterSOF]

Just the tech trade.

the other will give them more power then we get.

[Hercules]

Does it also mean they have infiltration on us.?

Or is it because we told them we were researching Cyberethics some turns ago and now we offer to trade them NG.

[Hercules]

I think we should stick to our agreement about us building AV.

[Mart]

They know we have NG, coz I left it in the commlink.
Us researching Cyberethics:
1) might we told them
2) it slipped Gaians for example, who have pact with us.
3) it is possible they infiltrated us.

[GeoModder]

No, they can know our research by their pact info with the Peacekeepers, but I might be wrong there and then the below is the reason.

IIRC, Maniac told me once the Spartans noticed that we are researching it and they had just finished it. I more or less recognized that it is our current research for I inquired about them not constructing the Planetary Datalinks.

I don't know for sure here anymore. We can't see the Spartan flag in the infoboxes ingame, so we can't check what other factions know about them. But if they see our flag in their infoboxes for whatever reason (infiltration, pactstatus with another faction) then they have an advantage over us.
Perhaps they have infiltrated the Gaians, and know what they know what we have since our Pact with them?

And if they want to pull back on this agreement, then we simply say we don't feel obliged to follow one of our concessions (if we still have one with them?)

May the quickest achieve that Project then.

[GeoModder]

Ok, then I forward a message to them saying we agree on the trade. Do I leave their secret project plans in the middle or specifically say that we strongly don't agree on that, and that it is a breach of earlier agreements?

Note that they can built the Planetary Datalinks at any time now, as long as sufficient crawlers are around. Do we want it or not?

[Hercules]

It would be a spoiler SP for us, that is to prevent someone else getting it. But it doesn't require infiltration. OTOH we hope to move into a leading tech discovery faction, so what would we gain.

I think we are due to build a new SP, but let it be AV or CF

[GeoModder]

I posted this in the Spartan diplo forum.

Dear Colonel,

The Commerce Ops looks positive on the proposed technology exchange, and hopes that despite the year 2170 has been passed, a deal is still possible. However, the Ops does not wish to come back on the Secret Project agreement. The more so since we have already desist from constructing the Citizens' Defense Force ourself when the opportunity came. How would the Federation have felt if suddenly, almost without warning, we unilaterally decided to cease that agreement? No, this is simply the second part of the same agreement, and we insist that it be honored by the Federation.

Regards,
IT GeoModder

d'you think it's rhetoric enough?

[Hercules]

Yes it's fine. Good point about the other SPs we helped the Spartans to build.

[Mart]

Have you checked the turn tracking? Someone has very badly hacked the reality...
It wasn't me...

[Hercules]

You mean the strange Googlie turn to Gaians

[GeoModder]

Btw, still no response from the Spartans regarding our agreement to a Neural Grafting-Cyberethics trade.

[Hercules]

Originally posted by GeoModder
Btw, still no response from the Spartans regarding our agreement to a Neural Grafting-Cyberethics trade.

I just went back to check.

Yes the suggested trade was their idea in the first place.

[GeoModder]

Just readed in the diplo forum.

To the Data Angels:

The Junta is perplexed as to why the Data Angels are unwilling to consider a deal regarding the Ascetic Virtues secret project. As you can no doubt deduce, the Federation will imminently acquire Planetary Economics. While our current agreement with you prohibits us from adopting Ascetic Virtues, there is no agreement between us giving the Data Angels the sole rights to the Ascetic Virtues, nor one prohibiting us from trading the technology Planetary Economics to other factions.

Before we turned to the Gaians and even later to you to research Intellectual Integrity for us, and before our relations with the Corporation deteriorated to war because of the unfortunate SCC Hunter incident, we were in fact discussing a leapfrog with the Corporation to get to Intellectual Integrity and Planetary Economics, so that the Federation could found the Citizen's Defence Force, and the Corporation could build the Ascetic Virtues.

This was attractive to them with its ability to build larger bases pre-hab complex than just size four.

If you insist on prohibiting us from building the Ascetic Virtues Secret Project, the Junta is therefore confident that our refound friends - the Corporation - would be more than happy to buy Planetary Economics from us and with it the ability to adopt Ascetic Virtues.

Frankly, as you can see, there's ltlle likelihood at all that you would be able to adopt the Ascetic Virtues yourselves. Why then do you insist on keeping spurious title to this Secret Project? We assumed it would be a trivial matter to buy back the secret project rights, so to speak. Either you gain something, such as a Global Trade Pact and Cyberethics without having to incur extra costs, or else you gain nothing.

Where lies the problem??

Colonel Googlie