A SMAC team for the Civ IV about-to-be-set-up Democracy Team game?

[Method]

Originally posted by binTravkin
'The Orbital Death Cannon' [binTravkin] no comments needed..

[binTravkin]

Hey, I've compiled a list of interests in our team (you're welcome to add/correct me where needed):

Person		Interests in team
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Googlie		turnplay, strategy
Chaos Theory	strategy
binTravkin	strategy, roleplay
Maniac		strategy
Illuminatus	roleplay, represenation
Hercules	strategy
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So, how about Illuminatus and Googlie being our top figures?
I don't know, the greekish position names and structure of government out of head, but will look up against books.
Illu could help here too.

Idea is to have
1.a civ representative, the authority, which could be Illuminatus
2.an executive officer, the person doing the actual governing of our civ - Googlie
3.several High Council members / Advisors (Strategoi), who'd be the forgers of strategies (not excluding the above two from the process, of course) and would also give some contribution to roleplay.

I just can't think of very much advisors we could have:
Navy advisor - Maniac
Army advisor - Hercules
Economics advisor - Chaos Theory
Diplomatical advisor - bT

All those could of course be changed, it's just a proposal.

[dmm1285]

Originally posted by binTravkin
Hey, I've compiled a list of interests in our team (you're welcome to add/correct me where needed):

Person		Interests in team
---------------------------------------
Googlie		turnplay, strategy
Chaos Theory	strategy
binTravkin	strategy, roleplay
Maniac		strategy
Illuminatus	roleplay, represenation
Hercules	strategy
---------------------------------------

So, how about Illuminatus and Googlie being our top figures?
I don't know, the greekish position names and structure of government out of head, but will look up against books.
Illu could help here too.

Idea is to have
1.a civ representative, the authority, which could be Illuminatus
2.an executive officer, the person doing the actual governing of our civ - Googlie
3.several High Council members / Advisors (Strategoi), who'd be the forgers of strategies (not excluding the above two from the process, of course) and would also give some contribution to roleplay.

I just can't think of very much advisors we could have:
Navy advisor - Maniac
Army advisor - Hercules
Economics advisor - Chaos Theory
Diplomatical advisor - bT

All those could of course be changed, it's just a proposal.

I could be regilion advisor

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by binTravkin
Hey, I've compiled a list of interests in our team (you're welcome to add/correct me where needed):

Person		Interests in team
---------------------------------------
Googlie		turnplay, strategy
Chaos Theory	strategy
binTravkin	strategy, roleplay
Maniac		strategy
Illuminatus	roleplay,
Hercules	strategy
---------------------------------------

So, how about Googlie being our top figures?
I don't know, the greekish position names and structure of government out of head, but will look up against books.
Illu could help here too.

Idea is to have
1.a civ representative, the authority, which could be Illuminatus
2.an executive officer, the person doing the actual governing of our civ - Googlie
3.several High Council members / Advisors (Strategoi), who'd be the forgers of strategies (not excluding the above two from the process, of course) and would also give some contribution to roleplay.

I just can't think of very much advisors we could have:
Navy advisor - Maniac
Army advisor - Hercules
Economics advisor - Chaos Theory
Diplomatical advisor - bT

All those could of course be changed, it's just a proposal.

Bad binTravkin I'll probably refrain from any decision making and positions, as I work on too many things on ACS to have time for getting deeply involved. I'll lurk to learn, chime in with a potential advice and perhaps engage in roleplay later.

You are however right about names and structure, I can certainly help here. We should decide which ancient greek organisation would you like to mimic? Unique Spartan military state? Cleisthenian democracy? Solonian timocracy? A generic ancient tyrany or oligarchy?

Considering the democracy theme, perhaps a Pericles era Cleisthenian democracy is the best choice. But then again, I would say such organisations can't apply to democracy games without modifications of the system. Perhaps only take it as inspiration for position names. What do you say?

BTW, I will probably be unavailable the rest of the week, but should be back with Sid Meier's Civilization 4 this weekend.

[GeoModder]

I vote for a sybarchy as model organisation, Illuminatus.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by binTravkin
Navy advisor - Maniac

W00t! I suggest we build a bunch of galleys and raid and pillage the coasts of anyone we can find.

I don't know, the greekish position names and structure of government out of head, but will look up against books.

You need not search further for my title. You may address me as Poseidon, God of the Sea.

Originally posted by Illuminatus
Cleisthenian democracy? Solonian timocracy?

Eh?

Do we need to stick with one though? As our civics change, our government structure could also change, and pick another theme from the varied Greek political history.

[Hercules]

There are several ways to succeed in CIV 4 from what I can determine: For us we could be a Greek hermit gathering: Spartan spartans, or militaristic spartan Spartans, or well, a democracy even, or maybe even a Greek orthodox sect.

[Googlie]

If we followed the suggestions above, and took ancient Sparta as our model, then:

Illuminatus and Googlie would be the 2 Kings

binTravkin,
Chaos Theory
Hercules
dmm1285
Maniac

would be our 5 Ephors, each with a specialty (or such five as get elected by the people)

and collectively, with additional members, we would all constitute the Gerousia

see here

[Vev]

Autonomous Chironian Democratic Greeks

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Person
Vev

Interest in Team
Part-time Spamer and nutcase

[binTravkin]

You are however right about names and structure, I can certainly help here. We should decide which ancient greek organisation would you like to mimic? Unique Spartan military state? Cleisthenian democracy? Solonian timocracy? A generic ancient tyrany or oligarchy?

Considering the democracy theme, perhaps a Pericles era Cleisthenian democracy is the best choice. But then again, I would say such organisations can't apply to democracy games without modifications of the system. Perhaps only take it as inspiration for position names. What do you say?

Illu, there's an answer. We just need to take a look to what civics is similar or close to which government type of Ancient Greece.

Do we need to stick with one though? As our civics change, our government structure could also change, and pick another theme from the varied Greek political history.

You need not search further for my title. You may address me as Poseidon, God of the Sea.

This is a fun suggestion.
For the sake of roleplay, maybe we should adapt this one to our needs.


How about:

Person		Deity		Desc
-------------------------------------------------------------
Googlie		Zeus		The Leader Of Deities

Chaos Theory	Ares		The Deity Of War

binTravkin	Hermes		The (Instant) Messenger Deity

Maniac		Poseidon	The Deity Of The Oceans

Illuminatus	Apollo		The Deity Of Intelligence, 
				patron of many good things.

Hercules	himself		A legendary hero, known for his 
		(Heracles)	immense physical strenght.

dmm1285		?		Give me a short desc of your
				RP personality in previous DGs
				(so to have smth to start with)

GeoModder	Hephaestus	The Deity Of Fire And The Forge
				(one who sits in
				his underground Forge, and 
				hammers the Steel Of Lurk
				and The Thoughts Of Plot)

Vev		Dionysus	The Deity Of Wine
				(gets very upset whenever you
				call him - 
				'Hey you, old drunkard!')

Jamski		Hades		The Deity Of Death
				(he who devises all kinds
				of vile ways how to make 
				our enemies perish)

Archaic		?		?
-------------------------------------------------------------

[GeoModder]

Why, thank you bT... Thought I was left for good in the stables of the helotes.

At least I can bed Aphrodite as the Master of Fire!

[Vev]

The greek lots have fair split of guys and gals gods. There is starting to be a shortage of guy gods, even the minor ones. Might be a good idea to break out the Heroes.

Well since my character is a fickle, Dionysus might fit. Esctasy to violent rage. And loads of xenowine.

[binTravkin]

Well since my character is a fickle, Dionysus might fit. Esctasy to violent rage. And loads of xenowine.

No problem, update incoming!

[Googlie]

And, actually, the Deities theme works well, 'cos that in fact is what we are - in game - "gods" making decisions that affect the mere mortals below (on the screen)

[binTravkin]

And, actually, the Deities theme works well, 'cos that in fact is what we are - in game - "gods" making decisions that affect the mere mortals below (on the screen)

Yea, I thought that too, but I didn't name them simply 'gods' because I wanted to make a reference to a difficulty level title ('deity'), thus futher showing that we're striving to be the best..