Turn 2159

[Mead]

What do we want for our Research Goal.

I realize it is a little late to check with you folks.

The most recent guidance I had was our beeline posted by Hong Hu:

08-02-2004 01:14 | profile | pm | search | buddy edit | quote link | report | ip

Support Apolyton


Future beeline:

Hive: Planetary economics
Drones: AMA/fusion

Would like to get your thoughts. Also could somebody check which tech PEACE is offering would we need? I don't want all of them since it will increase our tech cost and slow our tech rate.

Then Hong Hu posted this and nobody responded:

07-03-2004 03:49 | profile | pm | search | buddy edit | quote link | report | ip

Support Apolyton


We will finish Intell Integrity this turn. I believe the next available tech are the following:

Polymorphic Software
Bio-Engineering
Cyberethics
Nonlinear Mathematics

Suggest reseach Bio-Eng. I would appreciate if somebody can double check if I am correct.

Right now we are researching Planetary economics 7 years per breakthrough, 6 years to go.

If we change it to something else we will lose half of these Lab points.

If I hear nothing. I will hit End Turn and post it as is.


I offer no opinion on which one to take. Let me know what you want.


Mead

[Mead]

Please Check the Turn

Everyone

Hong Hu

Rubin

Please check the turn.

I am preparing to hit End Turn and Post it.

Let me know what you want changed.


Mead

[Frankychan]

Keep research as is, no use in letting our accumulated research points go to waste.

[Mead]

We have until 17:46 today, 9-3-2004 in which to post th turn.

I will be logging off shortly but will log on again in about 4 hours.

At that time I will have to make any required changes, that we can still make, hit End Turn and upload the Turn.


Please review the Turn and post corrections.


Mead

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Frankychan
Keep research as is, no use in letting our accumulated research points go to waste.

I would agree with this in any case, but Planetary Economics isn't a bad tech.

My only concern is that perhaps we should invest in Non-Linear Mathematics, given our current situation (if I remember my SMAC/SMAX techs correctly after a year and a half of not playing the game, that is...).

[Jamski]

Is it too late for somone else to play the turn?

I mean, we failed in the main objective, to get ConShelf, and we attacked the Uni one turn early.

-Jam

[Arnelos]

If I understand the rules of this game correctly, our move is due in less than 10 hours?

Whatever happens, we need to figure it out FAST.

[Mead]

I'll Hold the Turn Pending Review

Based upon Objections raised by Rubin, Arnelos, and Jamski

I'll hold onto the turn and will not post in open forum.

I do note:

Buster was consulted and replied "you can go if you want to but will probably take some casulties." We took none in the Uni invasion. Probably avoided some.

Arnelos asks

If I understand the rules of this game correctly, our move is due in less than 10 hours?

Whatever happens, we need to figure it out FAST.

We may be able to get an extension, if needed.


Jamski wrote

Is it too late for somone else to play the turn?

I mean, we failed in the main objective, to get ConShelf, and we attacked the Uni one turn early.

-Jam

I can see you asking to get someone else to play for the Uni invasion. But, there was no question that we were going to attack the CP, and there was no question that we were going to attack Conshelf57, and there was no question that we were going to eliminate the Data Angels invasion force on the ground near New Moscow.

We had a limited number of Aircraft within range of Conshelf57. We had the odds in our favor in the attack on Conshelf57. Replaying that portion of the turn would be wrong to the other teams. That probably would not be pemitted.


We will need a ruling from Googlie if you want the turn redone. CyCon will cry murder if we try to redo it, but if it is the will of the people to ask to replay then have Voltaire ask Googlie.

I will check back in, in a few hours.


Mead

[Mead]

This was posted by Kody in the Open ACDG forum.

I am not sure he should be posting it there because it let the other teams know hat we are up to, but he points out a lot of teraforming and production errors I made (some which can be corrected) before End Turn is hit (if we play this turn).

If we do play this turn then I would fix the above.

A couple of things:
One, I wish Kody hadn't posted the info he got from looking at the turn saved in the Hive forums in the open forum.

Two, I am glad he offered a number of very important, and accurate, observations on the teraforming. Although he is not a member of this forum he gave a lot of useful info. We can fix a lot of it.

Three, I wish he was still a member here as the quality and quality of his work is excellent.


Mead

I just had to comment on most recent turn. Support Apolyton


1. Crawlers goes on Mine, workers goes on Forest. Not the other way around. (in more than one place)
2. Borehole goes on Mineral bonus, not next to mineral bonus.
3. You already have a terraform plan that was drawn up a long time ago so you shouldn't even be making that mistake.
4. Borehole on river eliminates river, avoid losing a several squares of river system to a borehole.
5. Check for drone riots before they happen, not when they're already rioting.
6. Upgrade certain scouts to police units for 10 ECs, unset doctors.
7. 9 terraformers on one square is not efficient, unless you're carefully planning all your terraforming moves. Spread terraformers in groups of maybe 2 or 4 (at most 6) if you're not carefully planning everything. Otherwise terraformers spend a lot of time just moving around. (Use even numbered groups of terraformers as terraforming usually takes even numbers of turns)
8. moving 7 terraformers to an unroaded square is not efficient, especially when it doesn't cost 7 terraforming turns to make a road.
9. Network nodes = -2 drones, consider building them now and again when you have time.
10. Consider building more +labs +econo facilities in captial and putting energy a little energy in.
11. I'm saddened to see pop booming completely stopped as soon as Enigma left and looks to be too late now

[Snowflake]

Confirm researching Planetary Economics. My other post was based on an excel research tree application that must have incorrect inputs and generated incorrect results.

[Snowflake]

I have notified the Drones about what happened.

Comrade Mead has gone ahead and attacked Uni disregarding orders from CMC Chairman Rubin and oppositions from about all the current active players in the Hive. I have PMed GooglieGod for a replay.

If it is ruled that we must use the turn, Mead has attacked sunshine coast without taking it, but reduced its population to one. It may not be suitable for taking at your turn. I apologize for the disruption this has caused for our entire plan.

[Rubin]

Comrade Mead, although a slightly different approach was suggested by the Central Military Committee you were cleared to:

1) Eliminate the CyCon colony pod.
2) Engage Datajack Roze's small invasion force.
3) Disable defensive measures at Conshelf57.

Also, as suggested you did consult Foreman buster prior to launching the University invasion. However, the 'bold and decisive plan' to start the University invasion during M.Y. 2159 was never authorized by the Central Military Committee--instead concern was expressed. The University invasion is considered a matter of major military importance.

The 'objection' I raised was that of the Central Military Committee's jurisdiction being overridden. Even if the orders you dispatched prove to be the better strategy the result is that the Central Military Committee has been relieved of its military mandate. The Central Military Committee is reduced to a redundant, academic 'Parade' Committee. (I'll elaborate if required.)

To the best of my knowledge we cannot--and shall not--re-issue orders! You, Comrade Mead, were designated to dispatching orders. You have done so! And to this, I believe, you have worked hard and tried your best to accomplish hivean objectives. We should instead focus on the planning of M.Y. 2160.

Comrade Rubin

[Snowflake]

The CMC is not redundant. Turn players have many responsibilities. There are many details in game that needs to be decided by the turn player. However, it is also the responsibility of the turn player to follow the team's decision on major issues.

[Jamski]

So there is still a chance?

-Jam

[Snowflake]

We will always have our chances Comrade Jamski. As long as we still believe in ourselves. To me, it is not about whether a turn should be used or not. It is more about how we as a team should work together. I guess I have failed again. The Hive cannot be put together based on persons. We need rules to hold everybody together.