Turn 2159

[Frankychan]

What will be our opening attack? Are we going to just attack the CP first, or are we going to go 'all-out'?


As Foreman Buster has said, this all comes down to us being spotted. Is there a contingency if our forces ARE spotted, or will we just go on ahead?

Lastly, I'm a little confused on where our focus is in the matter of war. It seems like half of us are concentrating on the Data Angels elimination, half are concentrating on the Drone/Hive invasion of the University territories, and a few of us are looking at the invasion of the CyCon homeland...with PEACE's survival as an afterthought. Our forces aren't unlimited and I just want to know where we will be focusing the bulk of our units.

So far it seems that we are concentrating on the Data Angels. Is this true, and if not, can I get a summary of what we will be contributing to the Drone/Hive invasion of the University?

[Mead]

Originally posted by Frankychan
What will be our opening attack? Are we going to just attack the CP first, or are we going to go 'all-out'?


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I will post what I intend to do this turn in THIS THREAD, over the next 20-30 minutes.

IF THERE IS NOT COMPLETE OPPOSITION OR ORDERS FROM VOLTAIRE TO NOT DO IT I WILL PLAN IT AS INDICATE HERE.

I will take into considerations and may modify my plan of action based upon inputs from other players.


I WILL, HOWEVER, PLAY AND POST THE TURN WITHIN TWO HOURS.

It will be on my shoulders, the success or failure of the Hive this turn, and baring my being relieved of duties I will make the final call and post I judge best.

Mead


Mead

[Frankychan]

whoa whoa whoa, sorry if I offended you Comrade.

I have full confidence that you will begin the Hive's ascent to glory this turn and send a message to the CPU that they're ramblings of cybernetic perfection are nothing more than useless drivel.

Good luck

[Mead]

Originally posted by Frankychan
whoa whoa whoa, sorry if I offended you Comrade.

I have full confidence that you will begin the Hive's ascent to glory this turn and send a message to the CPU that they're ramblings of cybernetic perfection are nothing more than useless drivel.

Good luck

Frankychan

It's OK.

You did not offend me and I didn't think you intended an offense.

Please review and comment on the postings I will make here. Please review the save I posted last night, I'll post it again here.

Mead

[Mead]

THE WAR PLAN

It's bold. It's decisive. It's listed below for all of you to review and give me your opinions.



Battle plan for Eastern Theater of Operations.

As you can see in the save I have moved our ships west to better protect them and to provide a screen for Peace.

We have three problems in the East.

1. Deal with the Data Angle Invasion
2. Kill the CyCon Colony Pod before it makes a base.
3. Empty Conshelf57 for Peace

We deal with the invasion as follows.
1. Needlejet that is next to CyCon CP returns to New Moscow. It Kills Data Angle 4~1,1 infantry adjacent to New Moscow

2. We Launch (40% damaged) Apache out of Kommunzia City. It Kills Data Angel Impact Rover, and then (if healthy enough, which it should be still) Kills Data Angle transport, then it lands in New Moscow.

3. We Launch Skyhawk out of Rokossovkygrad. It Kills CyCon CP.
4. We Launch Apache out of Googligrad. It attacks and empties Conshelf57. It must land on the water. Hopefully it lives.





Battle Plan Western Theater of Operations


This is the plan to take and hold Longreach.

Knowns:
Buster Has already scouted out some of the Fungus for us.

Longreach is garrison with: 1-2t-1 and 0-1-1 probe.

There is an Uni Infantry Unit SE of Longreach and a Uni Transport off its nearby coast.

Uni has one interceptor supported by Caboolture but either in the air or at a CyCon base.

There are no aircraft in any of the Uni's bases.

Gardens Point will have a needlejet read next turn.

My suggestion:

Launch Skyhawk out of Freedman's Park, recon area north of Longreach, kill any probes found, ensure turn ends on 86,30 to seal off Uni access to Longreach using either road or river (risk they may use their interceptor on a suicide mission to clear way fro probes.

Launch one chopper out of Freedman's Park it recons the southern (if Buster did not already for us, I'll check) fungus, kills the SE Uni infantry and empties the garrison of Longreach.

Launch second chopper out of Freedman's Park recon fungus northwest of Longreach, Kills any units within.

Drop both 1~3-1 Infantry into Longreach.

Land choppers in Longreach.

Land Choppers from Anvil of Man in Longreach.

Move up the other units that cannot make it to Longreach to Freedman's Park for the second wave.


Buster's reply to my plan of attack.

If you are talking about starting the actual attack now - yes I believe the plan will work.

However - I believe cycon may opt to destroy a large part of the uni territory in order to buy time. (Scorched earth tactics).
Waiting till next turn means we can empty 8 cities (townsville, cape york, daintree, kelvin grove, gold coast, carseldine, sunshine coast and longreach) effectively preventing them from destroying these.

We will be taking some of these (probably at least three or four can be taken safely) and so be in reach of the remaining.

Going now can probably probably be done safely - though some of the choppers you will leave hanging around may be taken out by ground units. That is a lot we can easily manage though and not itself a problem.

Shortly - yes it is probably safe but will likely give you a few extra casualties.

My main concern is not so much the safety of the attack but the fact they may opt to destroy the bases they believe to be exposed and then go to Gas warfare - which could make it hard to hold Longreach (one hot by a gasplane will wipe the base).

On waiting and hitting the next row of bases simultaneously we are effectively robbing them of the chance to selfdestroy (as they cannot destroy empty bases - it requires a millitary unit inside). Danger is of course they spot our units and selfdestroy the closest bases before we even get the chance to take one of them (in which case we will need to drop in a cp to get in range).

Now if they spot our (drones) advance party - I will claim they are heading towards pirates to assist them. They may well believe that. However if they spot your units they cannot be explained away.

I believe however chances of being spotted are very small. I don't see any reason the plane should be coming that way from Gardens Point and that is the only chance of exposure I can imagine.

I will leave the decision to you. You could go now as outlined. The danger is not much that it will it will fail (I am quite sure you would be able to take and hold the base) I am more concerned about their destroying own bases.

Of course that in effect means they have lost the game (which in fact they had already when they got into their fight with Pirates even if they may not realize it) but it could delay the end quite a bit as we will need to build our way to Cycon territory rather than being able to use Uni bases to get there and once Cycon is without trading partners there is no reason for them not to gas-equip all their units - making defending newly built bases near their homeground complicated.

It all comes down to the chance of being spotted. If we are spotted it would better we had at least taken one base. If we are not we are better off waiting.

When we fly by the Uni forces it is likely we will be spotted.

If CyCon destroys Uni's bases it loses MMI and deprives Drones of most of the bases not us.

Our attack will distract CyCon from the Drones action up north.

Although w do not need Buster's permission to attack this turn he has said he is OK with it.


Mead

[Frankychan]

Hmmm, the general plan looks good. I would be careful to the exact placement of our units. While I cannot see the exact location of these units, please try to use ZOC's as effective as possible.

I fear that they CyCon may view the loss of MMI reasonable if they can deprive the Drones of those bases...but we just have to make sure that THAT does not happen.

Needlejet that is next to CyCon CP returns to New Moscow. It Kills Data Angle 4~1,1 infantry adjacent to New Moscow

Do you mean to do this all in one turn? From my personal experience, any jet that returns to a base usually cannot attack a unit next to the base its located in....but sometimes I can. WTH is up with that? But I digress...

While I have confidence in Foreman Busters plan, I highly doubt that they will believe that the Drones are sending aid to PEACE. Considering all the hostile rhetoric in the public forum, it's most likely that they will see this as an act of war and will be prepared.

Things are otherwise looking good. So, regardless of what we do THIS turn, the Drones will act NEXT turn, right? The Drone embassy looks like he's planning this, but I just want to be sure.

[Mead]

Production Planning and Rushing for 2159

See my posted save to see what I am planning to build.

We have 157 ECs

There are no new facilites started this turn.

I am rushing Voltriograd Rec Tanks - need 24 EC, (12 min)

Meadopolis 2~1-2 Laser Rover (costs the same as a 1~1-2 rover) - 28 EC (11 min)

Vevtopia Apache - need 52 EC (10 min)

Jamski's Remption Rec Tanks - need 30 EC (10 min)

Hong Hu Kong Hu - Need 64 (8 min, but may have more if put a worker on a borehole). I want this bio center base producing high morale units starting no later than 2161

Zeropolis - Need 16 (7 min)

I will not overrush (to get 10 min carryover) all of the above, but will try to rush them all to ensure they produce a unit next turn.

Note: I will not rush the transport this turn because I have little to put on it next turn.

I will try to have about 50 ECs at the end of the turn.

Mead

[Mead]

Originally posted by Frankychan

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Do you mean to do this all in one turn? From my personal experience, any jet that returns to a base usually cannot attack a unit next to the base its located in....but sometimes I can. WTH is up with that? But I digress...

Usually when an airplane (chopper too) returns to a base, its turn ends. But, if there is an enemy unit immediately next to that base and the aviation unit has movement points left in it, the plane will remain active, allowing you to use it to attack that enemy unit in th space next door. Ifour needlejet was not over a base it could still attack the enemy unit on the trip back to base and kill that enemy unit, but the needlejet would run out of fuel and crash.

I will make that my first move, just in case it does not work that way, so the other aviation units nearby can handle the invasion just in case.

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Things are otherwise looking good. So, regardless of what we do THIS turn, the Drones will act NEXT turn, right? The Drone embassy looks like he's planning this, but I just want to be sure.

That's what he says he doing.

My biggest concern is that I won't be able to park a needlejet on top of tha Peace schooner.


Mead

[Frankychan]

It's says that the page is missing...

[Mead]

Originally posted by Frankychan
It's says that the page is missing...

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php?file=37948_ACDG-Hive2159.SAV

Try this.

[Frankychan]

Are you sure I can view this? I have "C" not "X".

[Mead]

Originally posted by Frankychan
Are you sure I can view this? I have "C" not "X".

No. You need SMAX.


Mead

[Frankychan]

BLARRRGH!!!!

Dammit, well....I guess I'm screwed.

Thanks anyway.

[Mead]

After I run the turn, I will post the save and seek comments before I press End Turn and Post it in the Turn Thread.


Mead

[Snowflake]

I will look at the turn right now. My biggest concern is still that you are planning to go solo on uni attack. We didn't have the immediate need for this. We would not be able to continue to wipe out the other bases in the next turn. In addition, Voltaire had appointed Rubin to be in charge of CMC and he was supposed to be the final decision maker regarding all military issues. If you feel strongly that we must attack Uni territory this turn I would like to hear more of your thought.