Official: CyCon negotiations

[Frankychan]

Got it. Thanks.

[Snowflake]

Well I've told Maniac about it I think. Thank god I was able to hold this long. Hopefully this has not spoiled anybody's fun. I was kind of feeling bad for their bad feelings.

[Snowflake]

My reply:

Sigh, Maniac, I would like to apologize to you if my words really made you feel worse. I guess you don't understand me as Drogue did. Remember the PMs I sent you? Not the ones I sent as official messages or posts in the forum. Remember I said that read my post, think of my behavior then you would understand my love to you? You really didn't understand what I was truly saying to you. When Hive was changing its mind about the Hive CC relation long ago, I went out of my way to talk to you and Drogue about it, even risking being accused of leaking information. I am not able to do it again this time. If you think about how I have been pro CC and how I have always tried to be truthful and honarable, you should really question why I suddently turn against you and advocate war. The Hive's path's set a long time ago. In fact you know it from back the time we were still in pact. I am one that does not like to pretend one thing while secretly preparing for another. I believe that Voltaire and many other Hivers have the same feeling. However, from what you said, maybe I was wrong. Perhaps if we avoid the roleplaying part then people's feeling will be less hurt even when war does happen in the game. If this is the case, then I really need to apologize. To you, and to many others.

People were wrong when they say I'm good at interpersonal skills. I try hard to make every one happy. However, I guess it is a fact that every one can not be happy in the same time. And the result of my effort is almost always every one is not happy. I made you mad. I also failed PEACE because of my inexperience in gaming skills. And I'm sure by talking to you I am making my teamates and tass not happy again.

But one thing I would like to say is that I truly meant what I meant in my message to you. I think you are a very valuable player, not only to the CCs, but to the entire game. It may not mean much to you. But again you are wrong to think that I wanted you to stay because I want to "beat the crap out" for my "personal amusement". Perhaps I have a different mindset from many of you. While fighting a strong apponent is one thing that I would actually like, even if I'm the weaker side, I won't feel fun and amused in the kind of things like beating the PEACE to death. If you really have to leave, I'm truly sorry about it. But if you think that I try to talk you into stay for that reason, please, you are insulting both me and yourself.

One thing I can promise, is that I will try to refrain from my "roleplaying", and I will also try to influence my teamate not to overdo it, if this is what you desire.

Hong

[Voltaire]

I read both Maniac’s PM to you, and your responses HongHu, and I must say I am surprised. I thought it was clear that our RP was just that; yes, we started walking down the path to war with the CyCon long ago, and I think it was sealed when the University and CyCon merged, we just decided to try and have a bit of fun along the way in terms of the roleplaying, perhaps that was the wrong approach, I do not know, but it did not seem harmful at the time. I would hate for feelings to be hurt and relationships to be ruined because of a game (though it can happen). I think this is all in part because of misunderstandings between the Hive and the CyCon, they really do not know that we did not initially have hostile intentions toward them, in fact that we were rather friendly; we were not playing them at the start, nor do I think we ever tried to play them.

I will take your lead and refrain from extensive RPing since it seems to be having such a negative effect. I must admit I may have gone overboard with the RP attacks on the CyCon lately, I thought them good fun and games, and I thought them to be understood as such, but I guess I was mistaken. I will keep an objectively cool head about this from now on and not speak for the Hive, officially or otherwise, if I do speak it will be with calm and objectivity to ensure that nothing is misperceived (though this also does not always work).

*sigh*

[Frankychan]

Psh,

It looks like he's just upset that now the tables have turned. I'm sure he was having a ball when the CyCon were taking over PEACE, but now he see's that it's his turn to lose.

While I do feel sorry if he misinterpreted us into "roleplaying", I don't have sympathy for him if he see's the hopelessness in his situation and is mad that he's going to get his just desserts. How did PEACE feel when they were attacked?

As I see it, weren't they "beating the crap out" of PEACE for their own "personal amusement"? Rather hypocritical if you ask me. I'm just angry that he's getting upset at YOU when YOU are being honest and fruitful. If that's the way he feels about it, then there's nothing we can do about it. I believe you did EVERYTHING you could do....helping PEACE out, negotiating with CyCon, the works!

But he, as well as the rest of us ACDG'ers, have to realize that this is a GAME. And in this GAME, people lose. It sucks but that's how it is.

As for his "roleplaying" comments, I say you did everything you can do HONESTLY. I will personally vouch for your character. Again, that stuff about PEACE was HONEST. We were trying to save them so they could remain in the game.

[Snowflake]

Maniac's been suspicious of the Hive from the very beginning. In fact if it is not for him, we may be able to get a few more trades going and strengthen the relationship and perhaps we wouldn't even end at this place at all. I thought of telling him this, but thought better not to add insult to injury.

[Frankychan]

Psh (again),

Look, we were RP'ing and we didn't SAY anything. Sure, we might have HINTED to be contradictory, but didn't flat out say one thing and do another.

You know what, even though I respect Maniac as a player and as a fellow Apolytoner, he just has to lighten up. Again, we are playing a game.

And again, if anyone (and I mean ANYONE) tries to discredit your character, I will personally vouch on your behalf HongHu cause through all of this, you have repeatedly shown everyone here that you are a person of integrity.

(This is the kind of accusations on ppl's characters that get me angry...but hey, like I said, this is a game so no biggie).

[Snowflake]

Thanks comrade Franky. I wasn't really concerned about myself. But I would rather Maniac do not feel as bad as he described. Frankly you are right that it surely feels different when one is on the beating side (with PEACE) from when one is on the beated side (with us and drones). And he really shouldn't expect that he is always on top of the world and get pissed off if he has to go down. However, again, I want to try as hard as I can to just message his wound a little so that he does not get too hurt even if his feeling may not be justified.

[Snowflake]

PM from Impaler:

Greatings Jamski, I am wondering if the Hive has any position on what apears to be a claim by the Drones that a combined Hive/Drone force has desided to attack CPU. Once again Buster has made a feeble atempt to role play when he posts a turn involving a declaration of vendetta. We will ofcorse know soon enough when we recive the turn from you but it always helps to make any position on resent events known ASAP, if you have not yet formulated a position can you atleast give us your general impression of what you feel the Hive will do.

UPDATE - I see Jamski posted a very rousing plea for all of us to Unite against the Drones, that sounds quite fun, Cycon will likly agree to such a thing as we seem to be the main target at this point.

On a lighter note a decisive majority of Cycon has chossen in resent polling to alow the Pirates to remain independent so long as they leave YardLong Island and migrate north. If they have indeed started production of a Colony Pod this turn as we requested then we will consider them to be in compliance. And ofcorse no Hive units may be stationed in PEACE bases for the forseeable future for this CeaseFire to remain in effect. At some point in the near future we hope to have the reperations ishue resolved and for transactions to be conducted, this will help accelerate to migration of PEACE to its new home and help them rebuild once they reach it.

Is this proposal acceptable to the Hive?

[Snowflake]

I would like to respond and confirm our war against them and saying that the war is only intended toward Uni, not CCs. And that it is possible for us to settle without us advancing toward the CCs. We can still leave our options open can we? By doing this perhaps we can mitigate some of the hard feelings.

I realize that this is Arnelos right to do that though. I will only respond with an acknowledge of receipt then.

[Snowflake]

My response:

Function Impaler,

I have received your message and posted in the Hive forum. Note that since Arnelos is the current Hive Ambassador I cannot directly give you a response. On a personal note I wonder if you could ask Maniac to share the personal communications between him and me with you. It is not directly about the game rather it's about the roleplay aspect of the game. I hope that might shed some lights to the current situation.

Comrade HongHu

[Arnelos]

PM from Impaler[WrG]:

Greatings Arnelos, I am wondering if the Hive has any position on what apears to be a claim by the Drones that a combined Hive/Drone force has desided to attack CPU. Once again Buster has made a feeble atempt to role play when he posts a turn involving a declaration of vendetta. We will ofcorse know soon enough when we recive the turn from you but it always helps to make any position on resent events known ASAP, if you have not yet formulated a position can you atleast give us your general impression of what you feel the Hive will do.

UPDATE - I see Jamski posted a very rousing plea for all of us to Unite against the Drones, that sounds quite fun, Cycon will likly agree to such a thing as we seem to be the main target at this point.

On a lighter note a decisive majority of Cycon has chossen in resent polling to alow the Pirates to remain independent so long as they leave YardLong Island and migrate north. If they have indeed started production of a Colony Pod this turn as we requested then we will consider them to be in compliance. And ofcorse no Hive units may be stationed in PEACE bases for the forseeable future for this CeaseFire to remain in effect. At some point in the near future we hope to have the reperations ishue resolved and for transactions to be conducted, this will help accelerate the migration of PEACE to its new home and help them rebuild once they reach it.

My response:

Impaler,

Well, unfortunately you might say, a clear majority of the Human Hive is strongly in favor of war and has been for some time. A number of people have wished peace with all parties, but Jamski is entirely ALONE in wishing to backstab the Drones now that the Drones have committed to the attack.

So, I'm sorry to tell you that yes, it is the intention of the Human Hive to join with the Drones' assault on CPU. Mead has already started playing our turn and we have already joined in the assault. This has the backing of pretty much the entire upper leadership (Voltaire, HongHu, Mead) and most of the team beyond that. The issue has been polled and passed overwhelmingly (yeah, we actually had a poll in the Human Hive!).

Jamski's proposal to ally with the CyCon and backstab the Drones received one vote in favor (his) and the rest of the team unanimously against it. Even those who wish peace with CyCon do not wish to go as far as to backstab the Drones. So Jamski is quite alone on that issue. The only reason I can see that he continues to harp on it is that doing so increases his postcount. He's started no less than 3 polls on the issue, all of which he has lost. I think he's now started 2 public threads as well - they won't go anywhere.

The team has made its decision and even those which were mildly uncomfortable with that decision have agreed that with both the leadership and the majority of the team united on the issue, this is the team's policy and that's that. For my part, I was asked to write the RP war declaration, which I was just cleared to post in the public forum. We are now quite beyond the point at which I do not believe there is any turning back.

For what it's worth, I obviously have no animosity toward you guys, since there would be no basis for such animosity in my short time on the team. My statement to MrWIA (which Tassadar seemed to think was a "leak"...) that I thought the Planetary Council motion was "stupid" was true. It did nothing to help our team's position, probably only served to warn CPU of our impending attack, and just uselessly upset people when it was not made CLEAR that it was entirely RP. This is why I have insisted that the war declaration I wrote must be clearly labelled as RP and bears no relevance to what people may truly think of one another.

To be honest, I think a good portion of CPU was already aware of our liklihood to strike. It's even questionable whether those such as you that we chatted with were at all deceived in the slightest or merely pretended to be. The last chat I held with you was especially difficult, seeing as that I could not say "we will not attack you" or "we want peace", but merely things like "I'll take it back to the team". If I was frustratingly coy, this is why. I had been instructed not to reveal the war until the Drones had played their turn... so my only recourse was to skirt the issue as much as possible. I'm reasonably sure that if logs of the various chats were posted to your forum, there are some on your team who quite certainly realized this.

To the extent that you, MrWIA, and others put out sincere efforts to avert a war that you did not realize was already decided upon, I thank you for your efforts even though there's nothing I could do. I was saddened at the time that I was barred by the instructions I had from just telling you we would be at war the next turn and saving you from going to the trouble of trying to avert it. If it helps, I've been in that position before myself. You can get the details from UnOrthOdOx on your team. Once upon a time in another DG, I was in your shoes and he was in mine.

I have no idea where this war is going to go. It seems that everyone expects that it will go well for the Hive and Drones, but one can never be entirely certain.

So good luck.

- Arnelos

[Mead]

Nicely done Arnelos.

Very kind, diplomatic, and gentle of you.


Mead

[Snowflake]

I am again very glad that you joined us Arnelos.

[conmcb25]

He certainly has a way with words