Official: CyCon negotiations

[Snowflake]

People please give me your feedback on this issue. Appreciated.

[Micha]

Why do we need SotHB at all? We´re not fighting that many mindworms... Let´s just take NG and ask them for some ecs...

Another useless tech just makes our research more expensive...

Although I´m almost sure I missed something important on this issue.. If someone dared to enlighten me...

[Snowflake]

Well IIRC nobody has NG yet. We need NG for bioengineering but really we need it for MMI we just don't want to tell CC about this. However SotHB is the prerequisit of NG. So if we get SotHB we could research NG and be one step closer. Now I don't know if it is very much worth of the effor though if we only get SotHB and not NG. The only thing I might want to do it is that this mean CC owes us big and they have to repay us in some way in the future.

[Micha]

Or they just enjoy a huge benefit and say goodbye to us...

[Snowflake]

So no trade Gene Splicing for SotHB?

[Micha]

I´d say no. GS will only be traded for NG, or a real big chunk of other stuff (prototypes+ec).

Any other ideas?

[Snowflake]

I agree. We could try arrange other trades like GS trade for cruiser plus attack from water whatever it is called plus best attack. Is it too much?

[Snowflake]

Actually we don't need best attack from CC. Drone's will finish SFF in 2 turns. That means 6+ attack right?

[Snowflake]

Kody:

The university will want to delay the tech trading until after they finish enviromental economics. I think that's 2 turns away, so I expect they will want to drag their feet for another 2-3 turns and be "in talks" during that time. They will finally "close the deal" afterwards so they don't inccur the additional tech costs.

The university I think is beelining for air power. That's why they want applied physics. Even though the hive will get a tech jump of 1. The university will be too. Consequently, the trading you intend to do is mainly beneficial to the cycon. However, I understand your position and that's why I didn't say outright that this trading was doomed.

I did however ask HongHu to come up with an alternative tech trading agreement that didn't involve the university. Perhaps we can hammer out something between our two factions.

Since Honghu is Head Honcho at least when it comes to trading the problems with tech trades with the hive shouldn't be a problem now. I'm certain you're going to have more problems trading with the university as they'll be bucking for more advantage than the Hive would.

[Snowflake]

Me

She tries to do everything but she is not the head of anything at the moment. Just want to make a clarification.

[Snowflake]

Maniac:

What is your suggestion to do based on these suspicions about PUT? Just forget about the trade already, or send a clear message to PUT saying that if they don't offer EcoEng (preacceptance not necessary though) in the diplobox in their turn this year, that we will look for EcoEng elsewhere, or are no longer interested in trading? That might make them suspicious though as to why we need EcoEng so urgently, and make a trade even less likely.

Regarding AppPhys, PEACE also has AP, so they could also trade it to their ally PUT at any moment. So we figured that if PUT is likely to get AP anyway, it would better be us than PEACE that gets advantage out of it.

[Snowflake]

Me

The full 48 hours is around 2:00am Saturday but I wouldn't have time to play it then. So I'm planning to play with dacole sometime tonight. If we don't hear from you that the deal is struck then we would have to continue our own reseach and that means the Hive will finish eco eng the next turn.

It would be a shame for this would mean we both get env eco later than we could have. But I think Kody is right that you will not likely get it in time anyway no matter how long we wait and how hard you pushed. Sometimes reality is not always as we hoped. However, as Kody suggested, we can still arrange some trade that are not dependent on other factions.

[Octavian X]

So far, so good.

Someone want to tell me where this Cycon-Hive forum is?

[Snowflake]

Impaler PM to me:

Uni responds to tec trade
Uni has sent us the following Response


Uni/CyCon Tech Trade
Sent to Maniac, Drogue and Impaler[WrG]

Having discussed your various proposals for a tech trade between our factions, I can offer you the following deal: we will, as you asked, offer Ecological Engineering in our next turn, and in return, you will trade us Applied Physics and Doctrine: Initiative, and you will pledge not to trade Eco Eng to any other faction. Is this acceptable?



We may be able to get them to drop their non-proliferation requirments or include SotHB, but probly not both. I am wondering if their is anyway we could infact trade Eco Eng with you but make it seem to the University that you just researched it on your own. They will likly scream bloody murder at us if you get Eco Eng imediatly after they send it too us.

It seems we are in a Catch 22, the time needed to negotiate out the non-proliferation agreement would make the agreement moot as you will have alraedy reserched Eco Eng. I suspect the Hive will not wish to delay its research under these conditions though. If you do though then the potential for us to give Eco Eng will remain open and we can accept from UNI what would otherwise be an unviable trade.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Octavian X
Someone want to tell me where this Cycon-Hive forum is?

PM sent.