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Well let's hope they have something back to us before they send out their turn. Again I don't think their conduct is condemable. I think one needs to give it a though thought before one commits to do anything. And that's what we should learn from them too.
As for no post in their forum, I suspect they are not that inactive actually. They could be privately talking through other means such as PMs and/or messengers.
Be good, and if at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure will be back in fashion soon. -- teh Spamski
Originally posted by HongHu
They could be privately talking through other means such as PMs and/or messengers.
Hmmm - could be, but I doubt it. I think that it would be possible to infer from their posts if there had been prior discussion/agreement and I've seen no evidence of that.
I just think they are waiting for Buster to be engaged (he's only posted once, 2 days ago, from an internet cafe while on vacation) and for Mark to re-appear on the scene from wherever. I don't think Mongoose feels comfortable proceeding with just he and Shadowlord as the key decision makers, backed by 2 lesser players.
I expect that if the pact with the drones pan out one of two things happen.
If the drones agree the CyCon get brought into the fold. Otherwise we will go to war against the CyCon. What that bit in the document means, the hive wants to choose when or if we go to war against CyCon.
We should consider putting units near our border for security, I do not want war, but I dont want to be surprised.
Also, why should we have any official treaties now? we can come back in 20 or so game years or so when things will be better for our side. Right now we can agree to "peace" and express intrest of doing more in the future.
And if they ask "why", we can always say that we had a vote...
Proud member of The Human Hive, working for a better future on Chiron, today!
We want to start some of the tech jumping now rather than 20 years down the track. Also we might not have the advantage in 20 years, at the moment they think we're more powerful than we actually are. Finally when they start outstripping us in techs it'll be unlikely the want to do joint tech with us.
This discussion, though it has shown itself to be fruitful, does not in any way officially ratify any treaty or alliance with the Drones. Therefore I would request that Comrade Kody would post an officially poll asking the PAC to ratify the draft treaty with the Drones. Upon-which the treaty will be sent to the CCC for further discussion.
Until such a time as this has been done, no official government support exists for an alliance with the Drones.
Though this will simply be a matter of formalities since many have already stated their support for the plan, a number of Hive members have been absent, and we cannot make any final decisions until it has been formally approved.
-Chairman Voltaire
P.S.
Though I have been recently absent in the forums, be assured that I keep a close eye on the happenings here; and as many of you know, I can most often be reached over MSN (message me even if my status is set to away, most often I'm there).
You can only curse me to eternal damnation for so long!
I assumed we wanted to repoll on if we want to pact before we ratify the draft pact agreement. I'm sorry if I gave the impression that the issue was already decided.
The document is not complete and while it has chairman approval to view for now. The hive has yet to make a final decision on the issue. It is expected that you will wish to negotiate over certain points or add your own.
This was the disclaimer in the email I sent the drones.
The first pact polls went through and we got clear majority to go for some kind of a pact, and a good majority for a permanent pact if we could get it. However, many people voiced concerns and I think another poll on whether we still want to pact will be needed now that several days have past.
I also think most people want to wait for the response from the drones before they decide whether they wish to pact or not. I can add the polls now, but if the drones wait for buster to come back (another 4 days). The poll "Poll: Tech Research" is an example of what happens when the poll is offered before people are ready.
However, it will be good to evaulate the opinions of people while we wait. I'll do some fine tuning to the draft pact document first. Then I'll draw up the two polls on the pact and the draft pact document. We may have to hold those two polls again depending on the Drone's response.
Anyway sorry again. There seems that there was a communication error on my part.
The hive has updated their proposed pact document. This is much closer to what we hope to finally agree to. If you intend to pact please send any disagreement you have with any of the details or additional points you wish to add.
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Insert document here.
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The hive has finished deliberating the proposed pact document. The following document has PAC (People's Advisory Council) approval and we are willing to agree to the current terms proposed in the document.
We understand that you may wish to adjust the pact first. If you intend to pact please send any disagreement you have with any of the details or additional points you wish to add.
________________________________ Draft Pact Document Version 2
1.0 Conditions
1.1 - This is intended to be a permanent pact and must take priority to other alliances. The two factions are aiming for a joint victory.
1.2 - Sovereignty of each faction’s starting continent. Bases or crawlers cannot use the other faction’s continent.
1.3 - Shared tech. Both factions can get any tech from the other at any time they choose.
1.4 - Shared Comm links. Both factions can get any comm frequency at any time they choose.
1.5 - Shared world maps.
1.6 - An ambassador from each faction is allowed into the other faction’s forum. This will help each faction understand the other’s concerns and arguments. The ambassador goes under a different name to keep the pact secret initially.
1.7 - Units in the other faction’s territory must be withdrawn if requested.
1.8 - Factions are allowed differing foreign policy. However, each faction’s foreign policy should be transparent to the other faction.
1.9 - When trading of units, techs, comm frequencies and other useful information with a faction that is an enemy of either Drones or the Hive, the other faction must agree to the exchange.
2.0 Issues that can be addressed during course of the pact
2.1 - The initial terms of the pact can be amended by an agreement from both factions.
2.2 - Connecting the two starting continents requires approval from both factions. Pre land raising borders will continue to hold in the agreement of territorial rights.
2.3 - Spoils of war should be determined beforehand where possible.
2.4 - Important issues not covered by the pact or inadequately covered are addressed by a 1 faction 1 vote system. If the two decisions differ the factions will agree to disagree.
2.5 - Issues of lesser importance can determined by (hive percentage vote * 0.5) + (drone percentage vote * 0.5). Either the hive chairman or drone foreman can decide at any time whether an issue is important.
3.0 Expected Behaviour
3.1 - Expected behaviour is not a rule, just a recommendation.
3.2 - Both drones and hive should send reinforcements in the event of an invasion of the home continent.
3.3 - Research should be pursued together.
3.4 - The pact and terms of the pact should remain hidden as long as possible to reduce undue attention from the other factions.
3.5 - The hive and drones should attempt to assist each other in war.
3.6 - The hive and drones should have a unified front in their diplomatic dealing with other factions.
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The second email sounds ok to me. My understanding is that it will be send after the final approval of the pact proposal, right? For the first email, I suppose you could indicate that there are changes on the way but do not attach a document.
Be good, and if at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure will be back in fashion soon. -- teh Spamski
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