PEACE has cheated

[Maniac]

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[Illuminatus]

Re: PEACE has cheated

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Those bastards! This is incredible! I know they were desperate, but so much! I support you and propose that one of the moderators automaticaly disbands all defenders as out units near their bases.
DEATH TO PEACE CHEATERS!

[Maniac]

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[Nubclear]

Unfortunately, I accidently left PEACE and have tried to get Ming to reapprove me, but thus far he has not responded to my PMs

I assure you if PEACE has cheated, I will not show them the same mercy that GooglieGod did.

[Drogue]

I am not going to presume cheating immediately. Something else could have come up, meaning a reload, and they killed our task force all the time. What were the odds to kill the task force? It is easy enough to cheat without reloads, simply have every member play in turn, until you get the result you want, and post that one. If they are doing reload cheats then they're not just cheating, they're idiots.

Either way, if they're cheating, like that, they should be kicked out and their base ceded to us, since we're about to conquor it anyway. If they are not cheating, then we're very unlucky, and it's postponing the inevitable.

Tass needs to investigate the reloads, to find the reason. If they cannot provide evidence (posts, chatlogs, msn convo's, emails, etc) that show why they have reloaded, then they should be punished, by ceding their few remaining bases to us.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Drogue
I am not going to presume cheating immediately. Something else could have come up, meaning a reload,

That would be a really big coincidence. And Makahlua and foolish_icarus have used the excuse of "crashing or accidently leaving the wrong way" previous times as well. I don't buy it anymore. After all, why doesn't this happen to any other faction?

What were the odds to kill the task force?

The attack of the laser squad was 2; our defense three. Small odds.

It is easy enough to cheat without reloads, simply have every member play in turn, until you get the result you want, and post that one. If they are doing reload cheats then they're not just cheating, they're idiots.

Makahlua has played about all their previous turns, so it would be rather remarkable if suddenly someone else played it, just the turn when something unlikely happened. And they probably also have a shortage of turnplayers, as they always playing their turn too late shows.

If they cannot provide evidence (posts, chatlogs, msn convo's, emails, etc) that show why they have reloaded, then they should be punished, by ceding their few remaining bases to us.

They can always invent some fictitious reason why they reloaded, just like the previous times. Them cheating cannot be proved certain. One can only assume these current events are very unlikely to happen without deliberate attempts at fraud.

[Drogue]

Maniac: They can invent a reason. However if they have nothing to back it up, it can be called into question. That is why I want evidence, of some sort. If they have an email between them, apologising for the reload, because they forgot to save or something silly, there's little we can do. However I do think you're right, and I think they have cheated.

[Impaler[WrG]]

I tend to think this is cheating because they gave no warning that their would be reloads on their turn. One reload might be explainable but 2 is very peculular and would require a very good explination when combined with an unlikly battle result.

Our Plasma Garrison also had Displined Morale If I am correct, did their Laser unit also have Displined, I belive they have a Comand Center their and they have returned to Survival SE settings. What morale would that give them?

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Drogue
It is easy enough to cheat without reloads, simply have every member play in turn, until you get the result you want, and post that one.

Odds were perhaps so small that they did had to do that very thing a few times for every playing member.

How many active pirates are they? I see Hercules sometimes posting, and then those 2 others (foolish_icarus and makahlua) are ingame. Any others?

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Our Plasma Garrison also had Displined Morale If I am correct, did their Laser unit also have Displined, I belive they have a Comand Center their and they have returned to Survival SE settings. What morale would that give them?

We can check that in the PUT turn, we have access to Little Accident's base screen. They have command center in the base, so +2 morale for that. I don't know their SE settings out of my head. But if it is Survival, they won't have extra morale above that since that laser unit was just produced.

This also means that Drones and Hive have played their turn with the reload/save message from the pirates, and haven't reported this to the mods/administrators, since nothing came up in the public forum. Aren't they supposed to check for reload/save pop-ups?

[Maniac]

The laser squad should have been hardened. Our plasma garrison was disciplined. 2.25/(3+2.25)*100=42.86% to win one battle over one hitpoint. However 10 battles need to be won (10 HPs destroyed) to be victorious. I don't know how to calculate that, but the chance to destroy the unit would probably be somewhere around one of three. And three is also the number of reloads they had to do. How peculiar!

This also means that Drones and Hive have played their turn with the reload/save message from the pirates, and haven't reported this to the mods/administrators, since nothing came up in the public forum. Aren't they supposed to check for reload/save pop-ups?

I suppose, but I guess they passively consented with the cheating because PEACE is their ally de facto.

[MrWhereItsAt]

10 hitpoints? How many individual battles is that? From what I have seen of SMAX combat, there are only a few battles for fission reactor units.

And to calculate the odds - it would be the percentage of a win expressed as a fraction of 1 to the power of the number of battles needed. If for example our unit needed to lose 4 times to be killed and they are unharmed, then the chance of this is .4286 ^ 4 = 3.4%

Their chances to win whether damaged or not are a little higher, as there are sets of victories for them where they have lost 1 or 2 individual combat rounds yet still killed us.

[Skanky Burns]

So what happens now?

[Googlie]

This is being investigated. I have posted the following to the PEACE private turn-reporting thread:

Originally posted by Googlie in the PEACE Private Forum
Can you send me the first 2155-mid sav that was deleted from this post in this thread?

Allegations of cheat reloads have been made regarding this turn and the only comment I can make to the accusing party (the CyCon) is that a midsave was posted then withdrawn, so can you furnish me with the missing save?

And it is regarding how a 2-2-1 hardened unit (your laser unit at LA) can defeat a 1-3-1 Disciplined one (the defensive unit in the CyCon attacking force)

I must admit to being concerned, as in 25 tries I cannot destroy the CyCon plasma unit with the PEACE laser unit so naturally I am suspicious of any different outcome - and when that particular turn had at least 2 reloads, one wonders ......................

[Archaic]

Who was the turnplayer for this? If it was Herc or Flubber, then they wouldn't have cheated. Don't ask how, because it's better that as few people as possible know how it can be done, but if it was either of them, you wouldn't have seen a reload message had they truly decided to do something like this. Not that I think either of them would do something like this mind you.

If it wasn't them though, unless they've decided to pass the knowledge along (I hardly think Darsnan or Mongoose would, and IIRC, those are the only other two people who know how it's done, with the possible exception of Googlie), then while it seems odd to me that they only needed 2 reloads for something like this, I'd say it's almost certain cheating's gone on here.

[Googlie]

Makahlua played the turn, but after saving a midturn and then getting instructions from Herc and JDM that were incorporated into a later iteration.

JDM has said that against odds of 3:4 the laser unit would be successful against a plasma armor about once in 3 tries.

I have now played the turn fifty times and every time the laser unit is unsuccessful.

The only way I can get a laser victory is through changing the alphax.txt, and then playing the turn. I have asked the PEACE turn playing members to confirm that they are using uncorrupted default texts.

G.