PEACE has cheated

[Nubclear]

I am prepared to rule on the issue, Googlie. Read your PMs.

[laurentius]

I'm sure justice will be done and all wrong-doers will be hunt down and smoked out of their caves. Lets call it operation "Infinite justice"

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Googlie
JDM has said that against odds of 3:4 the laser unit would be successful against a plasma armor about once in 3 tries.

I have now played the turn fifty times and every time the laser unit is unsuccessful.

The odds that SMAC will give will probably be a 1 in 3 chance of victory, but that isn't the chance of winning. SMAC favours the one with better odds far more often than it should, so upsets happen very rarely. If you have done it 50 times and not got a win, then it is less likely than thought though.

I await Tass's verdict.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Interesting info on the combat resolution... Has anyone knowledge of the exact calculations - has that study been done?

[GeoModder]

A question for the gods, or anyone who nows the answer: as long as this issue isn't resolved, does the PUT turn time runs? Or is this postponed till the ruling is done?

[Googlie]

I'd support an indefinite delay while this issue gets investigated and resolved.

I have had exchanges with PEACE and they make the following point:

Their tactic has been to sell facilities to finance rush-builds. I accept that, as I've seen it in all their last three to four turns

Maki played the turn and saved it mid-game for peer review - she had ommited to sell a facility in Little Accident.

Herc had opened the turn a couiple of times to do some rush-build planning re crawlers disband etc, then played the turn, selling the Command Center, and this time he laser unit killed the CyCon plasma unit and the rover took out both the remaining attackers and the probe

He passed that to maki who incorporated it in the offial turn.

I don't know why, but I too get a laser kill of the plasma unit 7 times out of 10 when I sell the Command Center in Little Accident before engaging in combat

I have informed PEACE of this, but also I am withdrawing from any decision re forcing another replay or letting the status quo stand -I'll let Tass decide and will fully support whatever decision he makes (lest I be accused - again - of pro CyCon bias if I rule for a replay or be accused of "leting PEACE get to me" if I ruled on the status quo

So, Tass, put on your Solomon hat and share your wisdom with us

G.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Googlie
I don't know why, but I too get a laser kill of the plasma unit 7 times out of 10 when I sell the Command Center in Little Accident before engaging in combat

This looks like a gamebug, and since I never heard of this one, nor found it in the 'forbidden things to do' thread for this game, on itself it can't be avoided then, nor being called a cheat.

But on the other hand has this happened (according to PEACE) when the PEACE turn (midsave) was REOPENED by another player and sended through to the turnplayer WITH modifications who turned to the good and to be used for the further play. This means that ALL available PEACE members can give it a try and post the turn to the turnplayer for further playing WITH the things who came out as the best for PEACE. This can be the reason for the multiple reloads/saves. In my opinion this IS cheating.

Originally posted by Googlie
selling the Command Center, and this time he laser unit killed the CyCon plasma unit and the rover took out both the remaining attackers and the probe

this time sounds also like they all tried to play the turn, but implementing the agreed orders in a different sequence. What are the game rules about this?

[Maniac]

Indeed. And judging from their previous amount of reloads, I guess they've used this tactic of "everyone plays the turn and the best result gets sent to Makahlua" before as well.

[Drogue]

Surely the first turn stands. You cannot replay a turn for different results. If Maki posted the mid-turn, then starting again is against the rules. They can sell the CC later, from her midturn.

That is why a reply is not right. A reply means that can do it again, sell the CC and kill our unit. They played the turn first not selling the CC, therefore they should finish the turn from Maki's mid-turn save, and post that. Even from a mid-turn, you cannot play half the turn, decide you don't like it, and play that half again. If Maki played the turn, posted a review and then Herc goes and replays it, then that is a replay. Herc can obviously look around on his save, then someone else can play it, but if an action is made, you can't decide you don't like it, and replay it.

[Nubclear]

PEACE will be forced to play it's first turn.
Also, I am warning them not to use unknown game exploits. Just because it's not on the list doesn't mean we voted to allow it to happen.

If they continue to do this, they will lose a few turns.

[laurentius]

I object!

[Nubclear]

OK.

CyCon will surrender all of its bases to PEACE.
Happy?

[laurentius]

No, all im saying is that the current situation is unbearable.

[Maniac]

You mean the current situation remains?

[GeoModder]

I think Tass' says they have to replay their turn from a midsave on, without cashing the CC on Little Accident.

I'm I correct?