PEACE has cheated

[Nubclear]

Actually...It could have.
You should see some of the things they've said to me!!!

Don't worry though. While I won't be as godly here as I am there, I'll still be a little arrogant

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Googlie
Although a "fairer" way would have been for Tass or I to play the turn following the PEACE turn orders (which did involve scrapping the Command Center first to raise rush-build cash)

That would create a nasty precedent though.
Without the rule that the first-played turn of the turnplayer is the official one, one could get situations where factions are demanding a replay of their turn for every little and unintentional mistake and diversion from the orders the turnplayer made. That would create even more reloads and more opportunities for any irregular action.
AFAIK Makahlua is their official turn player, so if she didn't follow the official orders in her original turn, well then that's IMHO bad luck for PEACE. If they don't think she plays well, they should search another turnplayer.

This situation with reloads and (un)official turns etc made me think about another hypothetical scenario. I was wondering, what would you decide if a member, who is not at all an official turnplayer, without permission played the turn well before the deadline has passed, and clearly diverged from the official orders already written at that moment?
There is the case of Jamski playing the turn and declaring Vendetta on the Angels IIRC, but that was when the Hive deadline had already long passed, so that's a special case AFAIK.
Recently t_ras also posted the Hive turn while there was apparently an order wrong executed, but I don't know what is t_ras' position in the Hive, and to what degree he misplayed the turn, so I don't know if that resembles my hypothetical situation above.
Just asking so I know more clearly what the rules are.

And now they're whining in their private forums about the "lack of a truly neutral CMN"

Reply something back about the lack of a truly fairplaying faction?

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
PEACE is so whiny though.....
Too bad you won't get access to their forums It would be most entertaining.

Not even some whiny parts?

/me starts begging for more...

[Illuminatus]

Yes we want to hear some whining!

[Nubclear]

After the game If i reveal anything, and PEACE finds out about it...I might have to burn down all their cities or something

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
After the game If i reveal anything, and PEACE finds out about it...I might have to burn down all their cities or something

Well we are willing to risk destruction of PEACE .

[Method]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
I tried it, but to be honest I prefer Opera. Which is why I'm using Opera now.

yaR.

[Maniac]

I'm having a look at the new PUT turn. Our task force isn't attacked, but they still scrapped the command center. But whatever, who knows Makahlua did so too in her original turn.
Also I noticed that the Hive has acquired ProgPsych and AdapEcon. Could someone please check that they also had those techs in the first PUT turn? But "whatever" here too, even if they weren't supposed to get it this turn, they would have gotten it anyway next turn, so it wouldn't make much of a difference.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
I'm having a look at the new PUT turn. Our task force isn't attacked, but they still scrapped the command center. But whatever, who knows Makahlua did so too in her original turn.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but if Makahlua did scrap that CC and did not attack our task force. Herc wouldn't then caused a reload message by activating the laser squad and attacking our task force IMO.
What I mean is: if a turnplayer makes a save, and another player opens that save and makes a move with a unit that hasn't spend it's movement points, is a reload message then also attached?

Originally posted by Maniac
Also I noticed that the Hive has acquired ProgPsych and AdapEcon. Could someone please check that they also had those techs in the first PUT turn?

No, those techs were not in Hive hands in the 2155 midsave.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by GeoModder
No, those techs were not in Hive hands in the 2155 midsave.

They have the cheek to claim Googlie isn't being neutral, while still cheating Nice and fairplay team

IMHO, we should publish a 3D article about the reloads and about them doing it differently this time. Also, it shows the Hive accepted it, knowing they didn't the first time.

Seems that everyone cares about fairplay and fun

[Maniac]

No, those techs were not in Hive hands in the 2155 midsave.

Thanks. Though it was the first due-to-PEACE-reloading-illegal PUT MY 2156 that needed to be compared to the official MY 2156 turn. But indeed: I have now checked it myself now the official PUT turn is played, and in the first illegal version the Hive didn't have AdapEcon and ProgPsych. So unless Makahlua gave those two techs to the Hive in her original turn too and Hercules forgot to do so in his replay, both PEACE and the Hive have cheated...

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac


Thanks. Though it was the first due-to-PEACE-reloading-illegal PUT MY 2156 that needed to be compared to the official MY 2156 turn.

If not specified, how can one now?

[Googlie]

Originally posted by GeoModder
No, those techs were not in Hive hands in the 2155 midsave.

Per my following of the various saves, the disputed save that saw the CyCon units attacked and destroyed did send those techs to the Hive. The midsave (GeoModder, how can you access the PEACE midsaves?) also had those techs being sent to the Hive. The replayed turn has them being sent.

On what basis is any contrary assertion being made? That the Hive didn't accept them first time round but now do? In which case is isn't PEACE who are cheating, but the Hive

G.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Googlie
The midsave (GeoModder, how can you access the PEACE midsaves?)

I cannot, I merely checked the 2155 CyCon midsave. And since then the Hive still had pact with CyCon, I could see what techs they had or not.

I hope their is no allegation of cheating hanging above my head here?

[Maniac]

GeoModder:

What I mean is: if a turnplayer makes a save, and another player opens that save and makes a move with a unit that hasn't spend it's movement points, is a reload message then also attached?

I don't think so.

Googlie:

Originally posted by Googlie
On what basis is any contrary assertion being made? That the Hive didn't accept them first time round but now do?

That was indeed it. I realized of course I could be mistaken.

In which case is isn't PEACE who are cheating, but the Hive

Darn. Btw, would I be correct to assume the Hive not accepting the PEACE techs is the "major mistake" HongHu is talking about in the turn tracking thread? If so, she has ignored Tass' ruling two posts below in the previous link that a posted turn was final and that the replay needed to be exactly (as much as reasonably possible) as the first play.

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If the above is true, I really don't feel anymore to continue playing this ACDG. We'd better stop it IMHO. How can we play this game in a decent way when PEACE is pissed off at us and the Gods because they broke the agreed upon rules of the first turn as the final and official one, and when HongHu breaks that same rule only a bit later?? What does the rest of you think about this subject?