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  • Originally posted by Kody
    You come across as having strong opinions on legality
    Part of that is of course simply because I tried to get the maximum benefit possible out of the rules of the game. I had much less problems about other questionable things that benefitted us, eg the buster deception. Likewise, the Hive and others had problems and complained about affairs which did not benefit them (eg CPU unification, buster deception...), while they had no problems with eg this example of turn replaying.

    Originally posted by HongHu
    I'm sorry that I was among the ones that caused you to feel this Maniac. I wasn't even aware of this at the time.
    I was in general growing increasingly bored of the ACDG. Partially I was just finding excuses to leave.
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    • CPU unification
      That was just because the hive hated the university. It was already too late for you to unify anyway, you needed to have done that 10 tens earlier to change the outcome of the game.

      buster deception
      If one of my team mates did that I would lobby to get him banned from all diplomatic issues.

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      • Where did this hatred come from? Was it just for Archaic?
        He who knows others is wise.
        He who knows himself is enlightened.
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        • I don't know about it, I believe Kody doesn't either. We just inherited it. I don't hate Archaic personally. But somehow ever since we were born at the Hive, we've been told everyday, that the University is our enemy.
          Be good, and if at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure will be back in fashion soon. -- teh Spamski

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          • Originally posted by Kody
            If one of my team mates did that I would lobby to get him banned from all diplomatic issues.
            *sigh* Do I really have to do this?

            1> You seem to be forgetting that everyone in the Consciousness was aware of this deception and that I was actively encouraged to fully exploit and capitalize it.
            Some quotes:
            Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
            My GOOOD!! What a Fooopaaa!
            Originally posted by obstructor
            Originally posted by GeoModder
            Btw, way to go Maniac
            Originally posted by Skanky Burns
            Superb work, capitalizing on that!
            If you want to be consistent you should have to ban the entire Consciousness from diplomacy, and not just focus on "one of the team mates".
            Compared to those quotes, I think my opinion was rather neutral. I didn't consider this tactic morally "good" or absolutely "bad". I just opportunistically continued with it as it benefitted us for a while. However in the team pledge for ACDG3 there's a clause not to pretend to be someone of another team, so of course I wouldn't do this again.

            2> I've read a bit in all open team forum and all factions including mine have lied, cheated and exploited to a certain degree, though some go to great lengths to convince themselves of the opposite. Of course everyone will think that the cheats and exploits of the other teams are worse than those of their own team, but I don't see any fundamental ground why one exploit would be worse than another. So I will note your opposition to the 'buster deception', but I will just see it as a personal opinion like many others, and I won't care a damn if anyone complains about anything I or the CyCon have done in this game. I'll just consider it hypocritical.

            3> Quotes from you in the Heart of Fire turn tracking thread:
            Also I'm kindof still wondering what Maniac is going to do now. He's been quite the "burn all cheaters" in the past, and it appears now that my actions were more questionable than his.
            It already has gone awry. You shouldn't have mentioned Drones....
            You seem to be afraid I'll start some flamewars regarding cheats against everyone or so. Please note that I haven't complained about any questionable action of another faction since the fora are open. (That message re buster and super-terraforming was with a ) Instead I've expressed the view (like 3 posts above) that I don't consider any exploit worse than another. You on the other hand have already mentioned your negative opinion about the buster issue several times. Please stop doing that. You sent me a PM a while back you wanted to start with a clean slate and forget the past. Have you changed your mind?


            Edit: I guess someone will post next that I should "lighten up". That's what I want to do, but Kody keeps expressing his negative opinion.
            Last edited by Maniac; June 15, 2004, 15:14.
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            • I started a new thread at the main forum. I think these issues indeed should be talked out. However I would like us to focus on the future, not the past.

              You know, just think about it, I imagine if the PM thing happened with the Hive, instead of the CC, most of the Hive members would have exactly the same reactions too. I'm sure you'll feel somewhat differently if you were at the receiving end too. It all comes to different perspectives and angels.
              Be good, and if at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure will be back in fashion soon. -- teh Spamski

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              • Originally posted by HongHu
                However I would like us to focus on the future, not the past.
                Me too. Therefore I'd actually like to discourage commenting on threads in other fora instead of encouraging it. I doubt it can do much good.

                You know, just think about it, I imagine if the PM thing happened with the Hive, instead of the CC, most of the Hive members would have exactly the same reactions too. I'm sure you'll feel somewhat differently if you were at the receiving end too. It all comes to different perspectives and angels.
                I know. That's what I tried to tell in my two previous posts here.
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                • I think *everyone* should lighten up.
                  I'm seeing this argumentation, Kody, in many threads. Perhaps it was a mistake to open up the forums....
                  Eventis is the only refuge of the spammer. Join us now.
                  Long live teh paranoia smiley!

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                  • Nah, it's ok tass. I appreciate the openning up of the forums. It does help me to gain a better understanding of the game.

                    And Maniac, I think some comments in other forums is ok too. It's natural that people read stuff and have reactions. I am actually surprised that nobody's commented at the Hive's threads. But then I realize that perhaps nobody's authorized into the Hive forum yet, considering Voltaire can't do it. I didn't apply to other forums until today either. I'm hacking into your forum currently.

                    /me is proud of her hacking capabilities.
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                    • /me reports HongHu
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                      • /me runs and she runs fast.
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                        • Originally posted by HongHu
                          * HongHu runs and she runs fast.
                          /me was able to follow HongHu in the Hive 'Hello' thread...

                          How, I don't know I sure as hell can't access the Hive forum yet.
                          He who knows others is wise.
                          He who knows himself is enlightened.
                          -- Lao Tsu

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                          • Googlie looks at the 2714 threads and 749133 posts in the Hive forum and wonders why anyone would want to go there

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                            • The way I got in here is to search for the posts certain people made in this forum.

                              I have to admit that lately the threads in Hive do not provide much entertainment value. I would follow the ones that Kody and I listed if I want to get a taste of the Hive delicious spams.
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                              • Originally posted by HongHu


                                The way I got in here is to search for the posts certain people made in this forum.
                                Yeah, guess I did it that way as well. Interesting, the thread which I followed you and the 'hello' thread linked in the main forum are... different. That 'Hello' thread had some comments on the late game happenings.

                                Weird that we can access eachothers fora this way now and couldn't earlier. Besides, I thought Drogue authorized applicants already?
                                He who knows others is wise.
                                He who knows himself is enlightened.
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