HIVE diplomatic exchanges

[Maniac]

I have sent a similar message to Rokossovky.

[Maniac]

Asking if Jamski was now more able to respond:

We have just made contact with the Data Angels. Expect an election pretty soon.

I'll check up on PEACE as soon as I have a moment, ok?

-Jam

[Maniac]

Message from Kody, a non-Hive member , in the Hive-CyCon forum:

Sorry probably contact Jamski he's one of the few remaining members left.

By the way the university just broke the terms of their treaty with the Hive. I'm not sure what the hive wants to do. However, I don't think the university is particularly trust worthy.

The terms of our treaty was to withdraw their scout from our continent. They put their scout back onto the transport and then moved the scout 2 squares to the west and landed the scout again.

Bastards.

Feel free to talk to the university, doubtful the hive will get any trading done with them.

As Second Function and this Acting EAF I have asked Tassadar to post this message in the Hive forum? Does it sound ok?

Hi Comrade Tassadar,

Could you please post the following message in the Hive forum?

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Dear members of the Human Hive,

Lately the communications between our two factions have been rather chaotic, to say the least. I have been sending messages to several Hive members, but only with irregular response, and not knowing if the responses were official. Therefore I have asked Assistant-God Comrade Tassadar to present this open letter to the Hive.

The messages I sent in the near past were intended to pick up where we left off with the different negotiations on planetary governor elections, pact brotherhood, commlinks, tech trading, infiltration trading etc... From Jamski I learned that you have somehow acquired the Data Angel frequency and that you will be able to call planetary elections yourself. From Kody I learned that PUT has broken your treaty, so I assume your deal to trade EcoEng failed.

That still leaves quite a few open threads. IIRC we offered to vote for you on planetary governor elections. You offered to give us infiltrator information for PUT and PEACE. We also talked about signing a (perma)pact of brotherhood. Perhaps there is also a possibility of exchanging technology if you're interested. If I may ask, what is the current state of discussion on these subjects within the Hive forum, or when could agreed upon arrangements be executed?

Friendly greetings,

Mani Alpha-3
Second Function of the Cybernetic Consciousness

[Maniac]

No reactions anymore from the Hive... Should I send them a reminder?

Btw, I can't access the Hive-CyCon forum anymore; the page doesn't load. Does anyone else have this problem?

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Maniac
No reactions anymore from the Hive... Should I send them a reminder?

Btw, I can't access the Hive-CyCon forum anymore; the page doesn't load. Does anyone else have this problem?

I just got in fine, Maniac. But there is nothing too recent in there either.

[laurentius]

Anyone knows whats this coup in the Hive Hong Hu's talking about?

[Maniac]

Because no one was active anymore in the Hive, I think Jamski tried to overthrow Voltaire as Chairman, probably by a poll hoping to get 50% of the votes. AFAIK he failed and is on trial now.

Anyway, I can access the CyCon-Hive forum again and noticed this message from HongHu:

Currently the Hive is in a state of after-coup chaos. The leadership has been either left, missing, busy or on trial. Tass had faithfully conveyed your message to the Hive. However, no discussion has been incurred yet. Currently I'm working on summarizing the situation in game for other Hivers, hoping this will bring people back into the game. I'm hoping that we will start some real game related discussions before the turn is in our hands. I will keep you informed of any new developments.

Should I respond something like

We understand you have an unstabile political situation which delays your foreign negotiations. However please bear in mind that the longer you wait with giving us infiltrator information, the less valuable it becomes, and the less willing (if still at all willing - there are people saying infiltrator<->votes has become an uneven deal) we are to accept infiltrator data as compensation for us voting for you for planetary governor. After all we will be able to infiltrate the PUT and PEACE ourselves in a few years, and could in fact have already done so if we had not decided to focus on other priorities because you promised us you would give us infiltrator data. :-(

or is it too revealing (telling we can infiltrate ourselves) or unfriendly?

[laurentius]

Maniac that message from Hong Hu was the reason I asked about it. Thanks for the info, I tried to squeeze comments about it from tassadar earlier today, but he refused to comment. He said tho that the coup has been put down now, and Voltaire is in charge so I dont know if the situation is so unstabile anymore...

The message above is quite straight-forward and maybe a little bit...harsh/rude. I dont know, depends. Maybe a little more polite would be better

[Maniac]

Originally posted by laurentius
The message above is quite straight-forward and maybe a little bit...harsh/rude. I dont know, depends. Maybe a little more polite would be better

I know. Though I can't think right now of a polite enough message that will still give them the picture that we would like to have that infiltrator data asap. My polite and informative inquiries whether they have read my PMs, what the current state of affairs is at the momeny etc, haven't brought any progress in our desired deal up until now.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Maniac
We understand you have an unstable political situation which delays your foreign negotiations. However we must also ask that you put an urgent emphasis on consideration of the idea of allowing us infiltrator data in return for our guaranteed votes for you as Planetary Governor. We would very much like to sort out this matter as soon as possible so we can both move on with our cooperation. I hope you understand that we must have a definite decision to keep alive the fantastic cooperation between our teams enjoyed thus far. Additionally, we expect that making such an agreement would lead to increased activity for BOTH our factions - such a thing can only be of advantage to us both.

How about something more like this? Please feel free to alter any of the above as you see fit - I don't think we should mention being able to infiltrate for ourselves at all, just pressure them a little as allies to keep our cooperative efforts moving.

[laurentius]

Fantastic cooperation

Yeah I think its better now, give it a go

[MrWhereItsAt]

My post needs a little rephrasing, but it's mostly as I intended it...

[Impaler[WrG]]

Replace Coperation with Potential as we have not actualy done much with them yet. I do feel though that the vote for Inviltrator info is a much weaker deal then it used to be. We should step up out own infiltration efforts on PEACE and try to remain self sufficient as all this stuff makes the Hive highly unpredictable in my view, if it wasn't for their considerable in-game power I wouldn't support going out on a limb like this.

[Maniac]

I'll answer MWIA here:

So let me get this straight - we want to strike a deal with the Hive where we will vote for them as Planetary Governor, and then I suppose they are near certain to get in (assuming their pop is typically large). In return they will then give us PEACE infiltrator info. All correct?

And if we got this decision, we would then be in a position to call the Council, or be in a position to give someone else the last contact(s) they need to call the Council - correct?

Correct. Hive also offered PUT infiltration info though. But I agree with what Impaler says: this deal is not as good as it used to be. Should we still continue with it? Or ask not just PEACE and PUT infiltration, but all infiltration of any faction we ask about? After all that's what they would be getting if we voted on them. We could also make a smaller deal and in return for a sum of credits only ask the F4 garrison screen and perhaps also the F7 military screen. Then we could see the defensive strength of our first target Alexandria, and the amount of probes they have, which is really all the information we need before we start our invasion and infiltrate PEACE ourselves.

[Phenix]

I agree with you Maniac. We definetly need infiltration ourselves in the near future, so we don't really need to know everything.
A small sum of EC's (or maybe some tech???- probably not ) would be much better...