Chaunk's departure

[Corellion]

Of course... but by then, everyone else will be Cyborgs, and thus will see the rationality of our rule... especially because it will be their rule too!

[Phenix]

Exactly,
Resistance is futile. Chiron, prepare to be assimilated

(hey, I used this Borg quote in the ADPSG too )

[Maniac]

I had a chat with Chaunk. This should be the PM he sent to Flubber:

Hi Flubber,

As a member of the CyCon (Although somewhat nominally recently, at not at all now, see later) I would like to pass on my personal apology for the treatment of your faction in the demo game. Personnally, I felt we were not acting in the way pact brothers should. My personal opinion is that a diplomacy deal is a deal, and should be honoured to the end. We made several deals, almost all of which involved far more giving on your part and far less on the CyCon's part. And the discussion seemed to reflect the fact that there was little intention of following up on the deal.

This I find completely unacceptable.

As such I have left the CyCon. This message hasn't been posted in the CyCon forum, nor will it be, although I will be sending a similar PM to Maniac.

I believe the final straw was the accepting of Doc:Ini. As you said, this is standard practice, and any queries should have been straightened out. In fact, they were not even brought up with you to my knowledge.

My apologies, I wish you and PEACE all the best.

Chaunk, former Omicron-8.

[Corellion]

[Googlie]

Thanx M

I obviously could not post what was (then) a priveleged message from C to F

But I think it's clear that he did not divulge any strategic plans or intentions, but did sow the seed for Flubber's "BULL" comment.

G.

[Maniac]

Our reputation is (naturally) ruined forever with PEACE, but I would like to avoid PEACE spreads their knowledge to other factions.

Googlie, would it fall under the rules of banning defection if we asked/demanded PEACE not to tell any other faction of this PM they received and its content? In normal circumstances PEACE shouldn't know this information. They only did because Chaunk said more than he was allowed to IMHO.

[Corellion]

What with PEACE's thinly veiled insults and Chaunk's actions, this game is becoming decidedly less fun. I hope this turns around very soon.

I was going to write an article about Chaunk tragically dying when faulty technical plans obtained from PEACE caused a large piece of metal to break off from a cruiser, but I don't much feel like writing such an article right now. I'm really trying hard to find a way to explain this while keeping within bounds.

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Maniac
Googlie, would it fall under the rules of banning defection if we asked/demanded PEACE not to tell any other faction of this PM they received and its content?

Flubber has already alluded to Chaunk's resignation:

Maniac, I believed it was a cheat to accept a tech when the offer came with a note not to accept it unless terms were agreed. I have been corrected on that point. However the belief is not that far fetched as I believe a member of your own faction resigned over this matter

I will post a note in the PEACE forum (where the original Chaunk PM was reproduced) forbidding onward transmission of its contents, either overtly or by covert hint

G.

[subsequent edit] I have posted this in the appropriate PEACE thread:

Flubber et al

In this instance I think Chaunk was offside in giving the details as to why he resigned (given our analogous "defectors' information" rule) in that you obtained CyCon "inner working protocols" other than thru the game mechanics.

You'll find it ironic, I know, but I must rule that this information (as to why Chaunk left the CyCon) go no further than PEACE members.

I have also advised the CyCon of this ruling

(I should prolly go offline for about a week, starting right now ..................)[/subsequent edit]

G.

[Drogue]

Thank you Googlie

[Corellion]

Yes, thank you very much.

BTW, why do you think you should go offline for a week?

[Kody]

*bump*

[Snowflake]

If you want my honest opinion, both of you have responsibilities in the incident, and both of your reputations had been damaged. However, reputation is a thing that can be build. The Hive had not trusted the PEACE until very late when they were about destroyed. But they have earned my trust in the end, if I can only say so for myself. And it did play a part why I tried desperately to save them from you, not for any strategic reasons.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by HongHu
If you want my honest opinion, both of you have responsibilities in the incident, and both of your reputations had been damaged. However, reputation is a thing that can be build. The Hive had not trusted the PEACE until very late when they were about destroyed. But they have earned my trust in the end, if I can only say so for myself. And it did play a part why I tried desperately to save them from you, not for any strategic reasons.

How did they earn this trust, HongHu?

[Snowflake]

They did not try to gain anything from us through sneaky deals, even at their most difficult time. They behaved bravely and honorably. They did not try to get any information about you from us as you feared, for example.

[Drogue]

I trust until shown otherwise. PEACE showed otherwise. The Drones didn't reply often. The Hive seemed trustworthy, but various incidents caused me to doubt this, especially the council motion, that made me lose all faith. PUT were honourable to us throughout.