PEACE diplomatic exchanges

[GeoModder]

The following diplomatic message is sent to PEACE


Hello, captain FlameFlash

Allow me to introduce myself, I'm negotiator and Military Affairs Function Geo Beta-2 of the CPU council.

Currently I'm the appointed spokesman for the ceasefire talks between our factions.

I am afraid I have to start these talks with a grief message. In concern with the Hive discovery of a unknown contagious planet virus, we investigated all vessels within our reach of presence with this virus. The schooner crew near Conshelf 57 showed signs of infections, thus we felt compelt to sterilize the whole unit since it was heading directly towards an inhabitated base. The good news is that the transport foil in the same area seemed not to be infected. Hive units are still under investigation on the moment, but CPU is more or less assured that the Hive is firm enough not to allow possible infected units return to harbour. But this must be discussed with the Hive.

CPU-council is at the moment in meeting on the sort of allowance to return to PEACE for the unfortunately necessary destruction of the schooner, again, this is also in convergence of the sort of agreements that can be reached with the Hive on the destruction of the colony pod. We are quite concerned about this.

That brings us to the topic of Crossbone Way.
Since PEACE does not have a second base anywhere, and since in the former proposals a return to sea of PEACE was asked, I propose the following:

Crossbone Way grows it's population to a level 2, builds a colony pod, and starts constructing a new one immediately.
This colony pod will found a new base somewhere north on the coast (I suggest on map grid 59.37), by then the production of Crossbone Way should be finished and the base thus dismantled.
In accordance to your wish of a return to sea, a sea colony pod can be constructed in the new base and used to found a new base on the northern side of the Fossil Field Ridge. That base should be, by CPU wishes, be the southernmost and closest base PEACE will have to CPU territory.
Utterly, when a new base is founded in the north, the PEACE base on Yardlong island should be dismantled as well.
As for the transport foil around Conshelf 57, for the moment we do not allow it in the Atlantis Ocean, perhaps in a few MY, when trust is regained between our factions, we can escort it in the northern part of that ocean. For now I suggest to move it to the northern peninsula of the isle where your former comrades found such a horrible death.

There is one more wish on behalf of the CPU. As long as any PEACE base is in existence on Yardlong island, we like to see the Pact between the Hive and PEACE be reduced to a Treaty.

I realize that the unfortunate destruction of your schooner does not do much to gain your trust at this time, but think of this:
We did not attack any further on any other PEACE unit this year, while we easily could have done so.

In the hope that the Hive will wisen up and answers positively at our communications with them, I conclude this message.

Geo Beta-2
Military Affairs Function and negotiator of the CPU

I realize that critics can come from this from some of you, but so far this whole message can be discarded of if any other factions stays hostile.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by GeoModder
There is one more wish on behalf of the CPU. As long as any PEACE base is in existence on Yardlong island, we like to see the Pact between the Hive and PEACE be reduced to a Treaty.

Then you'd lose our only source of infiltration information on the Hive!
I'd scrap this part. If the PM is already sent, I'd suggest to cancel it (Go to "private messages" > "message tracking", select the PM and click on "Cancel").
For the rest a great message.

[GeoModder]

This is something PEACE won't except anyway. It's just a bit overdose as to agree in the middle. Besides, I don't think they would do anything without at least continuing the talks.

Don't worry, I know what I'm doing.

[GeoModder]

A question, if I select 'End tracking', in the 'message tracking' part, is the message then deleted as well, or only the notification towards me when the message is received?

[Maniac]

I think "End tracking" removes the notification that the message is sent.
"Cancel" fully deletes the message.

[GeoModder]

Well, it was already readed. I hope they will throughly read it and care to response instead of just showing their back now.
I think the largest hostage scenario of Planet has just begun.
We might avoid a full out escalation with PEACE under our 'protection' the next 10 turns.

[Impaler[WrG]]

I conducted a chat with Makahlua and whent over the whole situation with him. I expressed the view that we had already gained all that we could from war and now PEACE's continued existed was agreeable to us as long as it was to the north and out of our territory.

He says he will atempt to have production in Crossbone changed to a Pod which will be completed at about the same time population grows. That Pod can then be picked up by their Transport and taken north. Then a second Pod will be made and this also picked up by the Transport and again taken north, only then will they construct a Sea Pod to place on the Fossil Field Ridge.

New Sargaso, Dionsaur Island and Bone Island and the near coastal waters would be the new Pirate homeland with the Desert island Yardlong being Cycon territory.

I also told them we wished to buy the Crawler near BMV after they have moved north, I offered 60 Credits for it which is probly less them what it would cost to Mind Control. I told them we would likly be droping off a Probe team next to the Crawler to make shure that we can take it if they refuse to make or pull out of a sales agreement. For the mean time we should let them keep using it to expidite their move north.

[GeoModder]

I hope you can persuade them to stick in the north of bone island

I intend to suggest the founding of a base in the south of Bone Island so that, if we want, can build a sensor network there.

For the rest, I can live with the slightly different migration plan of PEACE.

Do I take it you want to handle the full diplomatic talks with PEACE now?

[GeoModder]

Response from PEACE

Ok people, PEACE has responded. It is quite positive in my opinion.

I post the contents here:

First some introduction blahblah from me

Following is my reply:

Hello, captain FlameFlash

Allow me to introduce myself, I'm negotiator and Military Affairs Function Geo Beta-2 of the CPU council.

Greetings.

Currently I'm the appointed spokesman for the ceasefire talks between our factions.

I am afraid I have to start these talks with a grief message. In concern with the Hive discovery of a unknown contagious planet virus, we investigated all vessels within our reach of presence with this virus. The schooner crew near Conshelf 57 showed signs of infections, thus we felt compelt to sterilize the whole unit since it was heading directly towards an inhabitated base. The good news is that the transport foil in the same area seemed not to be infected. Hive units are still under investigation on the moment, but CPU is more or less assured that the Hive is firm enough not to allow possible infected units return to harbour. But this must be discussed with the Hive.

Under guises of health concerns or not, the violation of the ceasefire in such an action is deplorable. Health concerns should have been directed to me, Herc, or another PEACE cap'n and allowed for PEACE to take care of the problem.

CPU-council is at the moment in meeting on the sort of allowance to return to PEACE for the unfortunately necessary destruction of the schooner, again, this is also in convergence of the sort of agreements that can be reached with the Hive on the destruction of the colony pod. We are quite concerned about this.

The destruction of the schooner is only related to the destruction of your CP in relation to your thinking that the virus had also infected our schooner. They are, however, two seperate issues and unless CPU does have plans to finish off PEACE (which they should just do now if they do) we expect compensation of an amount of PoEs that will allow for a rush build.

As per talks regarding not picking up our crawlers but having the CPU purchase them, we were wondering if the 60 PoEs mentinoed were for both or for each, though the option is looked at very highly either way, a total of 200 PoEs for the lost schooner and two crawlers would be appreciated. Either given after, or before we get off of yardarm and out of CPU's back yard.

That brings us to the topic of Crossbone Way.
Since PEACE does not have a second base anywhere, and since in the former proposals a return to sea of PEACE was asked, I propose the following:

Crossbone Way grows it's population to a level 2, builds a colony pod, and starts constructing a new one immediately.
This colony pod will found a new base somewhere north on the coast (I suggest on map grid 59.37), by then the production of Crossbone Way should be finished and the base thus dismantled.
In accordance to your wish of a return to sea, a sea colony pod can be constructed in the new base and used to found a new base on the northern side of the Fossil Field Ridge. That base should be, by CPU wishes, be the southernmost and closest base PEACE will have to CPU territory.

These plans are quite similar to plans that we've already been considering. There shouldn't be any problems. We are estimating approximately 7+ turns to get Crossbone and everything off of Yardarm, probably more in the '+' range, unfortunately.

The first message was too long and thus needed splitting:

Utterly, when a new base is founded in the north, the PEACE base on Yardlong island should be dismantled as well.
As for the transport foil around Conshelf 57, for the moment we do not allow it in the Atlantis Ocean, perhaps in a few MY, when trust is regained between our factions, we can escort it in the northern part of that ocean. For now I suggest to move it to the northern peninsula of the isle where your former comrades found such a horrible death.

It needs to be returned to Crossbone Way ASAP and seeing as it is of no threat (immediate or otherwise) to the CPU, especially with the blatant disregard that's been shown thus far for the ceasefire I'm sure you'll understand as we move it to safety away from hostilities but also closer to the one place it would be beneficial to us (back to Crossbone Way).

There is one more wish on behalf of the CPU. As long as any PEACE base is in existence on Yardlong island, we like to see the Pact between the Hive and PEACE be reduced to a Treaty.

While I understand your... annoyance, with the Hive currently, CPU has shown itself to be less trustworthy currently, especially with the breaking of the ceasefire so recent. We simply hope that peace can once again be restored, and this time, more permanently.

There is currently talk of dropping from Pact to Treaty status with the Hive as they have also shown themselves to be untrustworthy, however, and while I cannot guarentee anything at the moment, please be advised we do not want to be a launching point for further war efforts, especially between our two, rather large and powerful neighbors.

I realize that the unfortunate destruction of your schooner does not do much to gain your trust at this time, but think of this:
We did not attack any further on any other PEACE unit this year, while we easily could have done so.

That is of little comfort as the only PEACE unit that would have helped us come out of our existance being threatened as much as it currently is was smited.

In the hope that the Hive will wisen up and answers positively at our communications with them, I conclude this message.

Geo Beta-2
Military Affairs Function and negotiator of the CPU

And it is our hope that Hive actions will no longer be misconstrued to be PEACE actions, yet PEACE will continue to do business with the faction that has proven itself to be the more trustworthy toward PEACE at the current level and can only hope compensation for the schooner and crawlers come sometime soon.

We also hope to see an end to the hostilities between Hive and the CPU but understand that Hive was the agressor.

While I again cannot speak for the entire body on this new point, I would suggest a similar tactic of the Hive as they did in helping PEACE gain the tentative ceasefire that is currently being jepordized by Hive actions being misconstrued also as PEACE actions.

FF

They agree to leave Yardlong Island, and indicate that a cp is under construction in Crossbone Way.

Further more their is talk about 2 PEACE crawlers around. I only know about one in our turf, but if the second one is on Yardlong, I'm agreed to let them take it with them on their voyage and good riddance.

My recommendation on the retribution for the schooner is that we will do so if Hive decides to allow our cruiser to return to Atlantis.

Also, as by recommendation of Maniac before his retirement, he suggested not to press a lowering of the Pact to a Treaty between PEACE and Hive for infiltration reasons. I'm in favour of this reduction because Hive can station air units in Crossbone Way within 2 turns (it is 23 tiles away from New Moscow).

Any comments?

[Impaler[WrG]]

It was I who proposed the purchase of the Crawler near MBV for a sum of 60 Credits, I was not aware of the second Crawler in out territory, but on recolection their is infact a second Crawler brining 2 mins to CrossBone. I suspect its a Crawler on a forest someware neach Mega Reboot.

60 Credits for each would be a resonable price in my opinion.

Also I proposed an alternate relocation plan that I belive would be faster.

The first Pod is picked up by the transport and a Land base is started with it, then CrossBone disbands and the second Pod is transported northward to found a second Land Base, only then will they start a Sea Pod to colonize the Fossil Field Ridge. The energy credits we provide them will alow the Pods to be hurried and they can likly disband CrossBone in less then 6 turns.

Also The borders I proposed were a bit more generous. I proposed that they would be able to use all of Dinosaur and Bone Island as their territory and its near coastal waters to start bases. Their is little point in denying this to them as we cant use the territory for ourselves.

For the purposes of border clairification I think we should use a simple strati line to deside the border. PEACE territory would be Square with its southern tip at (48/40). Its border with the Hive is ofcorse an issue between them, with us they will agree to build bases and move units only within this zone. Thus Cycon will maintain a right of passage around the top of YardLong island through the coastal waters running just adjacent to the border. The border line will also extend into the unexplored territory in the northern Hemiphere untill it intersect either the top of the Map or Drone Territory.

The Nutral Zone with the Hive shall be a Rectangular area with the corners (38/32), (28/42), (34/48) and (44/38). Thus it borders PEACE territory and fully seals off the waters that either faction would need to move through to reach the other.

[GeoModder]

Posting error, I start a new PEACE diplomaty thread since this one has become topheavy.

I put the last 3 messages in it, those are a good summarization of how things are ATM.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Thus it borders PEACE territory and fully seals off the waters that either faction would need to move through to reach the other.

Except some sea tiles right under the Angels' coastline, but that can be added.

I basically agree with the neutral zone outline with the Hive.

But the borderline for PEACE isn't clear to me.

I propose the strait tiles on 55.33-57.33, 56.34, 55.35-57.35 the southern sea border line.
The strait tiles on 60.24 down to 60.30 and 61.23 down to 61.29 as the eastern border. Not enough info yet to determine that, but probably a border on 59.17 as well.

I like out of these border negotiations with PEACE bases solely on the eastern coast of Yardlong island, so we can build sensors on Yard where we like. PEACE can build a sensor on Bone island (54.34) if they like, to monitor their side of the straits.

Not something I will press, but I love to have permittance to bould a base on Bone Island (tile 46.38) so we can build a sensor to guard the northern part of the neutral zone with Hive. It is out of air range of either faction (Hive or us), thus shouldn't be a big problem.

If this is not allowed, I want that PEACE is forbidden to found a base on 47.37 or 48.36. That would create a back door from Hive to us.

Btw, Impaler, excellent work how you turned the talkings to more constructive issues with Voltaire.

Something else, I will start a new diplo thread for PEACE, since this one is top heavy (barely possible to post large messages here).

[Drogue]

Closed. I could have moved ther posts for you, if you wanted it though