Turns 2141-2160

[johndmuller]

Agree that any agressive behavior by the Cycon is quite possibly aimed at us (despite the fact that it would not be in their best interests to get into a war with us - obviously they don't care about the logic of their interfactional affairs).

Re the governorship, have we any offers from either of them or anyone else? Which of them is closer to us? ... to the Cycon?

[Hercules]

No offers but I understand from Honghu that the Cycon have offered a Pact to the Hive.

That would pose us and them difficulties if we are attacked and we ask the Hive to ally with us .

[johndmuller]

The Hive would be asking for a lot of frustration if they try to make nice with the Borg, but there's probably nothing credible that we could do to discourage them if they weren't warned off by the earlier episode (that shouldn't stop us from making a friendly 'warning' for them to watch their posteriors).

[Hercules]

Ok from Maniac's post it looks like this:
AI = Abstain
Drones: 49 (their own yet to vote) + 30 from PUT = 79
Hive 61

Next to vote Cycon = 23
Then us = 33
If Cycon vote Drones its over
So what do we do
looks like we're with the Hive, but negotiate ecol eng. and try to survive

If Cycon vote Hive then we're in a driving seat.

[foolish_icarus]

I believe the potential still exists for a human player to bribe the AI to change their vote. Thus even if Cycon vote Drones we can still possibly manipulate the Hive/Drones to pay us to bribe one or both of the AI, given our location in the voting order. Or if we were to successfully bribe Miriam or Roze could the Drones then rebribe them?

[Googlie]

Originally posted by foolish_icarus
Or if we were to successfully bribe Miriam or Roze could the Drones then rebribe them?

No - they would then get the message from the AI "This is too important a matter for me to change my position" (or whatever those words are)

[Makahlua]

&^$(&^$(*$(!!!!!

At first I thought Maniac was just being cute with the turn name - but not so. A Borg 'Love Boat' is just outside 'Rita which is now completely defenseless

#2 the Borg have voted for the Hive in the governorship; Uni has thrown their vote behind Buster.

Now what?

ETA: I hit abstain for the time being, will reload when we make a decision - Alexandria was also lost as well as the party Boat headed to Borg waters. All I can see available is the PB @ Tripoli; the Borg forces are apparently Amphibious - 1 imapct marines, 1 imapct speeder + probe team and cruiser sport @ ALex. Our other warships are a few turns to the wrong side of our waters or needing repairs :/

Happy *^(*^ Christmas to them too

[Hercules]

First don't panic.

Second await out come of negotiations with Hive and PUT.

Because of the unprovoked attack by the borg, the AI equivalents of the Hive and PUT have also declared vendetta.

Our vote is crucial. ie in the belief that the Drones will vote for themselves, our 33 votes can swing it either way.

From the Hive we would want them to deliver Ecol eng. and to continue their vendetta status with the Cycon. We will need to set a time limit, however because of Christmas and the declaration of War , I am sure we will be allowed extra time.

Next, if we choose, we can buy Non linear from Miriam. It will take us to contact her, she will ask for Gene Splice . we will ask for non linear. She will say no. We will then contact her with a proposal and offer to swap research. She will offer Non Linear for 100ecs. Accept. We will have 18 ecs left.

We might need to sell Rec Coms in Rita. We might also care to change build to Boy Scout 1~1-1 from Sea Colony. we might also move sf into Rita to buy us time.

In Tripoli, once again we have a non used worker.

If we buy Non Linear. Go to design workshop and design 4-1-2 tank and 4-1-4 coastal.

Suggest build Impact coastal proto type in Tripoli. (we might then be able to upgrade our other craft in due course.

Alternatively the party Boat in Tripoli, could head towards Rita, with the view to probe the 4-1-2 cutter from the Borg. But risky and we don't know what else is out there. Their craft can move 6.

Start PEG and make sure every Crawler on land is crawling some resource.

Transport crawler from Liar's Lair to near monument on HMB and land crawler.

The transport with two crawlers, move three spaces closer to HMB.

Alternative Alternative. Resign from the game, destroy all our bases as protest against behaviour of Borg towards us re non deliver of HEC. ie Dishonourable game playing. Not a cheat just dishonourable.

Also I am not happy with Archaic's reneging on deal struck with PUT via GT.

The deal was struck with PUT as then and should be honoured in my view. However if Hive refuse then we might remind Archaic (and should anyway that it was his idea in the first place that we should work together).

I find it difficult playing an ACDG team game when the factions do not adhere to diplomatic deals made.


I will be back late 26 Decemeber.

Meanwhile Flubber hopefully can communicate with the Hive and PUT. If I see no such as action has happened by end 26th, I will contact Honghu.


Anyway Happy Christmas all pirates.

[foolish_icarus]

Would it be worth it to switch out of wealth a few turns down the road to get our morale back? I am inclined to say no, what with the cost and industry loss, but it will become an option if we build up some cash.

The sea former outside of 'Rita gives us a chance to build a garrison. However, if a prototype Synthmetal Coastal is built at Tropoli [1 (1) turns] will a Synth Coastal at 'Rita [2 (1) turns] be ready next turn? This would be advantageous, though it means we would have to offset riots at Tripoli.

Sealurk Channel, Liar's Lair, HMB and Lil' Accident are all candidates for war industries (especially HMB with its command center). Which will be used for the PEG?

(I come up with 28 [not 18?] EC after Miriam tech purchase for possible use in rushbuilds.)

Its an even bet whether or not Uni would actually execute a war against the Cycon, even if they remained technically at war with them. The potential certainly exists fo them to go after us. Likewise it looks like the Hive isn't very interested in deploying forces for a war, so our diplomat has to make it seem necessaryfor Hive to help us, maybe even secure a promise for a definite number of troops, whereas the semi-casual "it's really in your best interests" approach will probably work better with the Uni, though i don't know their turn player.

And is anyone here up to writing some propaganda? Perhaps some strirring rendition of the fall of Alexandria, photoshop some propaganda posters, etc.

[Googlie]

I have okayed an extension due to the Christmas holiday - I've suggested until midnight PST on the 27th.

Will that be enough?

G.

[Hercules]

Ok you guys you have been very silent. Let's hear it

[Hercules]

Sorry Googlie

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Now that War has broken out it's appropriate to discuss how defeated factions' players get redistributed
among the survivors.

But this might predispose other factions against us based on your 'neutral observation.

I could well believe the Cycon have been slagging us: that's propoganda. But there is no justification for you to join the furore and adding a credibility to the accusations by posting such a thread at this time.

[Makahlua]

#1 - What's the vote on Nonlinear? if we can get it, we could prototype some units, but we might could spend those PoE better beefing up what defense we've got....


#2 - Possible moves:

Both sea formers near 'Rita could be moved in to delay the damaged cruiser from taking it over next turn; if we don't buy nonlinear, I can rush a prototype synth garrison for 37 PoE.

If I move the foil probe out between Tripoli and Googlie Monument, I can block the CyCon transport from drawing alongside to launch their marine units - the other 'love boat' down south would not be able to reach it and attack this turn.

I could also swap Casablanca to a proto laser/synth skimship (barque?) ad rush that for 19 PoE adding to our defense, but even with the seaformer moved to block them, the cycon should still be able punch throuch and take Casablanca (If they don't go right for Tripoli...)

For the PEG we've got 4 crawlers on the Boot and 3 inbound, which puts us @ 120 mins for the SP, which is about half of the needed

Most of the Schooners are at least 7+ turns out, between repairs and distance from home :/

I just realized that proably the CyCOn -might- leave the imapct infantry to guard Alex, but that's iffy

I'm also for some serious pod popping with the rover on Yardarm, in the hopes of EC's for the war effort

[Hercules]

Yes to serious pod popping. But also try putting a impact coastal in the build somewhere just in case it gets completed.

We need more views. Hope Flubber and Cuspidore can weigh in.

[foolish_icarus]

Definitely get Nonlinear.

I would lean towards postponing (abandoning if we have to) the PEG until we are doing better with the war.

if a prototype Synthmetal Coastal is built at Tropoli [1 (1) turns] will a Synth Coastal at 'Rita [2 (1) turns] be ready next turn?

does anyone know the answer to this?