Combined diplomatic thread --Direction needed

[Hercules]

This back from Archaic and my reply.

Dean Archaic,

The Borgs' land forces (which you should know about) are still some distance
from our main land bases which are better defended. So the answer is yes.

I am a bit puzzled by your tone, which seems less helpful than in the Dip
Box. We don't wish for a tech (yet) that the Cyborg will steal. Next turn
you will know what further techs they have stolen from us.

Arcy - sama wrote:

> One is forced to wonder.....can you even reach Roze's base before the
> Cyborgs take you out?

[FlameFlash]

Sounds good.

[Hercules]

This reply from Voltaire



I will forward this to the Hive for discussion, be assured we will attempt to have
a prompt answer for you.

[Hercules]

A Miracle

This from Buster via PM .......and my reply.

(Hey maybe I shouldn't be so quick in replying: Next time I 'll bring the message here first. Just there didn't seem much from the Drones side, aexcept that offer of some intelligence. Useful.



Hi Buster,

Thanks for reply. For background, in the hours leading up to the vote, Cuspidore sent you a message asking
what you might offer for our vote and or assistance. It was nothing to do with the way Cycon voted: it
was more to do with an absense of response from the Hive and the possibility that Cuspidore BB had
somehow made contact but was not able to communicate back to us. (After all it was the Christmas
period).

And of course there was self interest, we are trying to survive.

btw I presume the cyb*****gers have infiltration on us anyway so there is little you can pass on that they
don't already know.

Anyhow thanks for your time and I ask the Captain's for info that we can ask for..

Like what is currently in Triplex, Boy Scout, impact rover?

quote:


Hi,

there would have been had we made some kind of agreement.
The reality is however that you voted against Hive (Cycon voted for Hive) rather
than for us.

Now we are giving Cycon no information they can use against you and have made no
deals with them that makes your situation any worse, but I do not see that we owe
you for your vote as you voted in self interest.

What I am willing to offer you however is information on Cycon. If there is anything
you want there let me know and I will suplly it.

regards
buster

[Hercules]

A response from the Hive. Honghu has stepped down as Ambassador to be replaced by Octavian X. I think that is correct and that the offer below is authorised.

ACTDG: Hive Communication

Honorable Cap'n Hercules:

The Hive has heard of the great suffering your people have endured at the
hands of your enemies. Your terrible plight at the hands of the CyCon was truly
terrible. Therefore, the Hiverian government wishes to bring the people of
PEACE under it's protection. If you rush a colony pod in a base near the Hiveran
homeland, and build a new base near us, we will protect it to the last. We will
send PEACE any tech we possess that you may want. Lastly, we will assist you
in your effort to retake your homeland. The CyCon shall soon taste the fury of
the Hive!

Please, make your decision soon. This is an all-or-nothing deal. Should you
accept, you will be expected to join with the Hive and our brother Drones as a
junior member of the great Hive-Drone permi-pact.

We await your reply.

~Octavian X

Does that sound like surrender to the Hive ?

Note also the term ' the great Hive Drone permi pact'.

Views.

[FlameFlash]

I like it, personally. the 'junior member' status would simply be something until we retake our original lands. We'd be part of the winning team, as it would seem, and be able to retake our bases with the knowledge that if the CyCon wanted to totally wipe us out they'd have to also go to war with the Hive and therefore the Drones.

It might actually force the CyCon to stop their war with us and return our bases, or at least allow us enough time to retake them in comfort.

They're wanting us as a member of their Axis now, not as a slave state, IMHO.

[foolish_icarus]

yes, go for it! (There is a certain comforting liberty in having nothing to lose.)

[Makahlua]

I feel it prudent to note we've also an offer from CyCOn along similar lines:

Joining the Consciousness?
Hi Makahlua,

Lately there have been discussions regarding what should happen with members of a defeated faction. More specifically we of the Consciousness started that discussion as we felt there is a chance we might defeat PEACE.

No pirate has yet openly expressed any interest though in joining another specific faction, which is of course only normal. However we of the Consciousness were wondering if there was any interest in PEACE for joining the Consciousness if we would be victorious. Are you, and perhaps other pirates, open to that possibility? You would be welcomed with open arms as an equal member.

Personally I feel joining us if you would be defeated would be the best option for you, because you'll join a faction that would resemble PEACE very much, with the only big and very unfortunate difference our lack to harvest aquatic minerals. However on the other side you'd have the same bases and technologies as PEACE had , and to an extent even the same allies and rivals. Since we have the Maritime Control Centre, we would also attempt to be the world's finest naval power. That way you could continue to sail ships where as all the other factions are land centric.

If the majority of PEACE would join the Consciousness, you would also be able to continue playing with the same group you have gotten to know over the past few months. In short, it would provide the greatest continuity for you. That continuity would not exist if you all splintered up and went to completely different factions such as the Hive or Drones, in which you would be a lonely stranger in the midst of a group already knowing each other and exchanging tactics since months.

Anyway, I hope you will consider our offer. I really believe it is the best option for both of us.

Friendly greetings,

Maniac

[FlameFlash]

I say ignore the CyCon message, I don't want anything to do with the backstabbers.

[Hercules]

For those who missed it in the other thread. This from Enigma:

Hive Diplomacy Mishap

Octavian X has been slapped with the rod of stupidity for an averse diplomatic decision.
I must inform you that The Hive has no intention of helping PEACE in its current state; we cannot send you
Doc:Loy as we will explain later.

However, the current state changes.
I think it would be in the best interests of both the Hive and the PEACE, if upon the PEACE being conquered,
your players emigrate to The Hive.
I assure you, once you are with us, your vengeance will be assured, and it is better that you seek higher
ground than trying to hold onto your falling empire.

Of course, you may do what you will - trying to hold onto your bases with HEC and SFF, you should ask the
Drones for those.
We, The Hive, have no need of any extra tech at the moment.
We cannot give you Doc:Loy for a simple reason:
The Hive wants The Ascetic Virtues.
Note that, if the CyCon have Adaptive Econ, and Doc:Loy, then they stand a VERY good chance of getting the
tech for themselves.
Also, our Drones allies will be most upsed if they also get the Citizen's Defence Force on the way because as
you might expect, we're not looking forward to facing Perimiter Defences on the reconqista.

We can't send Military, because we plan to attack Roze; this also invalidates your option of probing Roze
because we can do it ourselves when we get there.
The best - and fastest- way for PEACE to win this war will be to lose it - destroy yourselves from the game
and emigrate to The Hive.

We repeat: We cannot give you Doc:Loy lest it fall into CyCon hands.

[Hercules]

I sent this to Voltaire



Please advise which of your Ambassadors speaks for the Hive.

We have received two messages : one from OctavianX and a contradictory one from Enigma.

What is the position.

Re Enigma's overtures are not designed to be welcoming and would appear to be designed to drive us into the
hands of Cycon. Is that what you wish?

[Nubclear]

Bolshoi Sovietski Soyuz

[Hercules]

This from Voltaire:

Message
Voltaire
King



Registered: Aug 2001
Posts: 1250

RE: Who speaks for the Hive re Peace Hive matters

Thank you for informing me of this, Enigma has no authority to speak on behalf
of the Hive, I will deal with him. The official stance is the one sent by Octavian.

-Chairman Voltaire

[Hercules]

I notice Comrade Tass now has access to our forum. But he was not authorised by me unless he came via a DL.

Also he seemed to know of Voltaires PM before I did.

I ask for an explanation before I raise the matter in the main forum.

[foolish_icarus]

simple enough to speculate--he got a mod to authorize him and he has access to Hive forum, so found out before message was sent